This Guy (Rossy) can coach
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Most coaches can coach !
Having a good playing list is what its about . Look at the scott brothers , both played the same type of tough football , both coach the same way , however one got an average list so it has taken him time to get improvement . Lyon got two good lists , both teams have a dozen good players and he has the ability to get the rest to do a particular job . i'd like to see him with a list like Port's to see if he can build a good side .
Having a good playing list is what its about . Look at the scott brothers , both played the same type of tough football , both coach the same way , however one got an average list so it has taken him time to get improvement . Lyon got two good lists , both teams have a dozen good players and he has the ability to get the rest to do a particular job . i'd like to see him with a list like Port's to see if he can build a good side .
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Yup... they'd almost be mad to not rest 12 players etc if it was in their advantage to lose.SainterK wrote:Not sure.Teflon wrote:Surely can't orchestrate a loss to Melb... that would be investigated...SainterK wrote:I think the reports are he can control who he meets by how he approaches this week?
Could 'rest' players with 'soreness' prior to the finals.
Over there though, it would be pretty obvious that the game was thrown.
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to you too.sunsaint wrote:no its ABSOLUTELY truejoffaboy wrote:Witeout23 wrote:He inherited a good list when he came to the Saints, I could've coached them to the 2009-10 Grand finals.
you bang on about "revisionists" but your differing opinion on lyon is just that, a different historical point of view.
He was good coach in 2009, and we should have won the GF but didnt, and lots of things could have should have been done, end of sad story.
In the 2010 GF the game was lost at the selection table. But that year the game moved on, His coaching style didnt, and teams went flying past us. By 2011 the list couldnt cope with the new game & he was done at the saints.
He was gifted a good team and a club that dragged itself out of the sewers when he came to the saints.
And its the same with the dockers that was built by Harvey. (although I think Freo are a better overall team list - less reliant on so called "stars" and accross the board they are faster and more skilled)
I suppose you could have coached the team to the grand Finals as well?
As for the 10 GF being lost at the selection table - umm it wasn't even lost
The team was cooked in the replay
More revisionist BS from a Lyon hater.
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He is obviously a talented individual in as far as demanding a certain level of performance. He isn't an all rounder as he tends towards go hard in a short time and worry about the future later. He pretty much took the Sydney blue print which won them a flag when they won't as good a list as the competition. When you look at the list he started with compared to what he left us with you would think he was not a good developer.
He took Mark Harveys work and will make himself into a star coach just as he did with us. He kind of reminds me of that monorail salesman in the Simpsons still though. Was nice getting close but footy is a mean game, a couple of straight kicks from a hero, same as GT. Ratten will probably go and an injury free list will see him added to a list of failures that is probably not overly deserved when a new coach takes them the next step.
He took Mark Harveys work and will make himself into a star coach just as he did with us. He kind of reminds me of that monorail salesman in the Simpsons still though. Was nice getting close but footy is a mean game, a couple of straight kicks from a hero, same as GT. Ratten will probably go and an injury free list will see him added to a list of failures that is probably not overly deserved when a new coach takes them the next step.
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Hindsight: Understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed
Revisionist: Advocacy of the revision of an accepted, usually long-standing view, theory, or doctrine
I think you often confuse the two JB.
Then there is those like Sunsaint who have been consistent in their views the entire time.
I think it's actually quite understandable for people to question the selection for the 2010 grand final, if they thought that many of the players hadn't delivered on the big stage the year previous and would probably not do so again, that is actually an understandable POV.
It's not an opinion I share, but I can respect that opinion.
Revisionist: Advocacy of the revision of an accepted, usually long-standing view, theory, or doctrine
I think you often confuse the two JB.
Then there is those like Sunsaint who have been consistent in their views the entire time.
I think it's actually quite understandable for people to question the selection for the 2010 grand final, if they thought that many of the players hadn't delivered on the big stage the year previous and would probably not do so again, that is actually an understandable POV.
It's not an opinion I share, but I can respect that opinion.
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Yeah, you think you could coach them. You are a deluded NimbatWiteout23 wrote:He inherited a good list when he came to the Saints, I could've coached them to the 2009-10 Grand finals.
He has now inherited a good list at Freo, they would've been thereabouts if Mark harvey had not been shafted.
Oh and he coached us really well against the Swans last year, didn't he?
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I was referring about the way Mark Harvey coped it in the neck and then Ross claiming complete innocence. I thought that was a bit rich and so did a lot of others.joffaboy wrote:Maybe you wouldn't feel that way if you heard his side of the story.SaintPav wrote:I don't know RL personally but one thing I do know is that he is either deluded or a liar when he said that he had nothing to be ashamed of or words to that effect when he was appointed at Freo. The way Mark Harvey was treated was atrocious and weather he likes it or not he played a big part in it.
Yes, he is a very good coach but I give him a zero on ethics and loyalty.
From what I have heard, it wasn't one way traffic on the deception front.
Anyway, bout time he was acknowledged as the coach he is - a good one.
I hated the revisionist BS about him "losing" flags for us Incredibly insular and deluded.
In say that I am happy he is gone. Got a good feeling already Watters is the man to take us forward.
Lyon has yet to prove he can do anything more than take a list that has been built for him.
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Everyone on TV or radio who have any idea about rate RL a great coach but what would they know. I have noticed we havent had to many threads on how Freo cant kick a goal lately. Some people cant get over it that much that they were even hoping we would lose to Carlton next week. Why anyone would want Carlton to make the finals over Freo is beyond any thinking Victorian who doesnt follow Carlton.
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I dont know Ross Lyon personally so I cant comment on what kind of person he is. It left a bitter taste in my mouth the way he left us though. If he had been honest and called a presser and said "look, im leaving" I wouldnt have been so annoyed about it, But all that cloak and dagger stuff was just a slap in the face to me as a member and fan of the club.
In terms of is he a good coach? You bet he is. But he has the inability to foster youth and refersh a list enough to be a long term coach at 1 club. I am very very glad we have Scott Watters and am looking to bright days of youthful exuberant footy.
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In terms of is he a good coach? You bet he is. But he has the inability to foster youth and refersh a list enough to be a long term coach at 1 club. I am very very glad we have Scott Watters and am looking to bright days of youthful exuberant footy.
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Roo?dragit wrote:Very sad excuse, we've had one of the lowest injury lists all year. Our top 6 players have missed half a dozen games in total - all to Fisher…Johnny Member wrote:Were having a real bad 2012 due to injury too.
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8856brother wrote:Roo?dragit wrote:Very sad excuse, we've had one of the lowest injury lists all year. Our top 6 players have missed half a dozen games in total - all to Fisher…Johnny Member wrote:Were having a real bad 2012 due to injury too.
He is 7th.
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North play GWS Saturday arvo. There % will rise well above Freo's. Collingwood will win, and West Coast would have also played by Saturday night when the Dockers play. Freo can then decide how badly they want to beat Melbourne by to finish 7th or 8th on %, after they know who will finish 5th and 6th.dragit wrote:You cannot control how bad Melbourne are, that is not a variable.SainterK wrote:I think the reports are he can control who he meets by how he approaches this week?
Ross will know exactly how much he meeds to win by to choose who, and where, he wants to play in the first week of the finals.
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True, though he's only going to miss three in the end.8856brother wrote:Roo?dragit wrote:Very sad excuse, we've had one of the lowest injury lists all year. Our top 6 players have missed half a dozen games in total - all to Fisher…Johnny Member wrote:Were having a real bad 2012 due to injury too.
Point is that most clubs above us have had more games missed to injury by good players than us… e.g. Franklin & Hodge have nearly missed a whole season between them…
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You're very sharp today bro… You been learning those sudoku's?8856brother wrote:North play GWS Saturday arvo. There % will rise well above Freo's. Collingwood will win, and West Coast would have also played by Saturday night when the Dockers play. Freo can then decide how badly they want to beat Melbourne by to finish 7th or 8th on %, after they know who will finish 5th and 6th.dragit wrote:You cannot control how bad Melbourne are, that is not a variable.SainterK wrote:I think the reports are he can control who he meets by how he approaches this week?
Ross will know exactly how much he meeds to win by to choose who, and where, he wants to play in the first week of the finals.
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So Ross is deluded is he? Do you even know what you are talking about?SaintPav wrote:I was referring about the way Mark Harvey coped it in the neck and then Ross claiming complete innocence. I thought that was a bit rich and so did a lot of others.joffaboy wrote:Maybe you wouldn't feel that way if you heard his side of the story.SaintPav wrote:I don't know RL personally but one thing I do know is that he is either deluded or a liar when he said that he had nothing to be ashamed of or words to that effect when he was appointed at Freo. The way Mark Harvey was treated was atrocious and weather he likes it or not he played a big part in it.
Yes, he is a very good coach but I give him a zero on ethics and loyalty.
From what I have heard, it wasn't one way traffic on the deception front.
Anyway, bout time he was acknowledged as the coach he is - a good one.
I hated the revisionist BS about him "losing" flags for us Incredibly insular and deluded.
In say that I am happy he is gone. Got a good feeling already Watters is the man to take us forward.
Lyon has yet to prove he can do anything more than take a list that has been built for him.
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Mark Harvey did the ground work.
He also could have had them in 8
This year.
He also could have had them in 8
This year.
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Yes I do and at least I have an opinion. Do you?clarky449 wrote: So Ross is deluded is he? Do you even know what you are talking about?
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My opinion on Ross is clear. Strange comment by you, but then, wouldnt expect much from a clueless peanut.SaintPav wrote:Yes I do and at least I have an opinion. Do you?clarky449 wrote: So Ross is deluded is he? Do you even know what you are talking about?
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clarky449 wrote:My opinion on Ross is clear. Strange comment by you, but then, wouldnt expect much from a clueless peanut.SaintPav wrote:Yes I do and at least I have an opinion. Do you?clarky449 wrote: So Ross is deluded is he? Do you even know what you are talking about?
I think concepts like ethics, morality and knifing a peer in the back might be a bit over your head Clarky.
I could write a lot worse about you but it's important to be kind to those less fortunate.
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We said he was a great coach when he was coaching us so I guess he still is.
To be fighting each other now over whether he is or not seems to be a little silly.
To be fighting each other now over whether he is or not seems to be a little silly.
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Write what ever you want about me. Less fortunate, really funny. You do seem to think you know alot about people over the internet.SaintPav wrote:
I could write a lot worse about you but it's important to be kind to those less fortunate.
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It's not rocket science Clarky but you can tell a lot about people from what they write. Like I've said before, I've seen your photos on twitter which confirms my perception of you. If you have a go at me I will have a go back.clarky449 wrote:Write what ever you want about me. Less fortunate, really funny. You do seem to think you know alot about people over the internet.SaintPav wrote:
I could write a lot worse about you but it's important to be kind to those less fortunate.
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If you think im less fortunate, how about i invite you over for some dinner, take a walk around my house and ill show you everything else i have in my life. Obviously your perception skills arent as good as you think. Getting a good laugh out of you. Photos on twitter, thank you for looking at me, its got nothing bad on there, please send me a PM about your perception of me, i want to know.SaintPav wrote:It's not rocket science Clarky but you can tell a lot about people from what they write. Like I've said before, I've seen your photos on twitter which confirms my perception of you. If you have a go at me I will have a go back.clarky449 wrote:Write what ever you want about me. Less fortunate, really funny. You do seem to think you know alot about people over the internet.SaintPav wrote:
I could write a lot worse about you but it's important to be kind to those less fortunate.
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Well said.Hurricane wrote:I dont know Ross Lyon personally so I cant comment on what kind of person he is. It left a bitter taste in my mouth the way he left us though. If he had been honest and called a presser and said "look, im leaving" I wouldnt have been so annoyed about it, But all that cloak and dagger stuff was just a slap in the face to me as a member and fan of the club.
In terms of is he a good coach? You bet he is. But he has the inability to foster youth and refersh a list enough to be a long term coach at 1 club. I am very very glad we have Scott Watters and am looking to bright days of youthful exuberant footy.
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He's a gun coach and I reckon we screwed up big time
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