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plugger66 wrote:You would think only Schneider is certain from those bench players. Would they have the guts to drop Kosi. I think he is safe because we have no one else who could really ruck and lets face it if he cant get a kick a few this week then it could be over for him. Tell me we havent signed him to a new contract?
Holding the line on our mate Grammy, Plugggs (along with the coaching staff ), but looking like we share concerns re the Kosi...
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plugger66 wrote:You would think only Schneider is certain from those bench players. Would they have the guts to drop Kosi. I think he is safe because we have no one else who could really ruck and lets face it if he cant get a kick a few this week then it could be over for him. Tell me we havent signed him to a new contract?
Holding the line on our mate Grammy, Plugggs (along with the coaching staff ), but looking like we share concerns re the Kosi...
villasaint wrote:A full game for Dunell for mine, roo and Kosi out and Wilkes and ray in.
Granted Kos hasn't been great, but if Wilkes is recalled we are stuffed. He is not AFL standard, as witnessed in the Bris game. As other posted have alluded to, Kos needs to stay anyway to back up Big Boy.
Milne kicked 3 in the first quarter, one by utilising his evasion skills when surrounded by 4 defenders (which was not unusual because Sydney swarmed around the contest far better than St Kilda) and kicked another 2 in the last.
Was it 3 of those goals he kicked from some distance out, using the gusting and swirling wind to get good distance?
Each of those long shots were set shots, so he improved on season performance but, in each instance, he was hit on the chest.
In a contested game he did not win hard ball - and was ineffectice in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, allowing for the ball hardly entering our F50 in the 2nd quarter.
Of course, we also did not have a forward line in the 2nd quarter - it was all hands to the decks - hence the desperate hacks from defence were finding Sydney chests and the ball was coming straight back into the Sydney F50.
The pressure mounted and mounted.
In these circumstances certain of our players were found wanting against the body and the physicallity and contributed little.
I left Gilbert out of those who persisted earlier.
Milne was up the ground during these times of absolute stretch but did not get near the ball.
The real question for me is, acknowledging the 5 goals and the manner in which those opportunities were created then finished, should we expect more presence from a 32 year old veteran of over 250 games and do we expect him to use his mature body and experience to contest a ground level game and win the ball to create a stoppage or a clearance opportunity?
Because all Milne did was kick 5 goals from limited possessions (10?) in a game where the ball was significantly on the ground and in scrimmage positions - favouring the small/mid-sized players and where Sydney's resources clearly out-pointed St Kilda's and why we ultimately lost.
Schnieder was similarly inefffective in a game where his skill set was required.
Mature, experienced body expected to share the contested ground ball. Saad has probably never played in such a game, and will learn.
Even, as Sydney showed, winning the hard possession and ensuring you hold the ball in if there is no team mate release opportunity (a review of the holding the ball rule is required here to improve the flow of the game and stamp out this blight of standing and holding your opponent's arms around you pleading that you can not release when the sole intention is to hold in and get a second ruck contest), creating a secondary bounce and a second opportunity to get players around the contest, with the aim of releasing one.
Milne was missing in this game - and against the likes of Sydney St Kilda can not afford to have anyone missing in such a contest.
So, for his 5 goals Milne got into the last position of my best 6 - and past that we had no one who qualified for best 6 so that is a commentary in itself.
Goals need to be kicked, but teams kick goals and I am always appreciative of the lead up work to put or keep the ball in such a position that goals can be kicked - and the pressure put on the opposition to keep the ball within striking distance of goal.
That is why goals per se do not influence me and I do not consider "2 goals a game" as a meaningful indicator of impact.
I look far wider than that.
Do some of you finally get the message?
Montagna, Armitage, Steven and Jones busted their guts, and Hayes was effective in the last but we needed all hands on deck bashing in to get hands on the ball so Sydney did not have their hands on the ball.
I see your point TTT but tfhink in this case youre being a tad harsh in judging Milne.
Milne's primary role is to kick goals - he is the "finisher" to a lot of upfield work and you are right that work is vital to give Milne that chance but in reality, IF Milne kicks 5....hes done his job well.
I dont expect Milne to get 30 touches, 6 clearance and 15 contested posessions - i do expecthim to compete hard when given the opportunity inside fwd 5o and I reckon he did that well.
To the top wrote:Montagna, Armitage, Steven and Jones busted their guts, and Hayes was effective in the last but we needed all hands on deck bashing in to get hands on the ball so Sydney did not have their hands on the ball.
To the top wrote:Milne kicked 3 in the first quarter, one by utilising his evasion skills when surrounded by 4 defenders (which was not unusual because Sydney swarmed around the contest far better than St Kilda) and kicked another 2 in the last.
Was it 3 of those goals he kicked from some distance out, using the gusting and swirling wind to get good distance?
Each of those long shots were set shots, so he improved on season performance but, in each instance, he was hit on the chest.
In a contested game he did not win hard ball - and was ineffectice in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, allowing for the ball hardly entering our F50 in the 2nd quarter.
Of course, we also did not have a forward line in the 2nd quarter - it was all hands to the decks - hence the desperate hacks from defence were finding Sydney chests and the ball was coming straight back into the Sydney F50.
The pressure mounted and mounted.
In these circumstances certain of our players were found wanting against the body and the physicallity and contributed little.
I left Gilbert out of those who persisted earlier.
Milne was up the ground during these times of absolute stretch but did not get near the ball.
The real question for me is, acknowledging the 5 goals and the manner in which those opportunities were created then finished, should we expect more presence from a 32 year old veteran of over 250 games and do we expect him to use his mature body and experience to contest a ground level game and win the ball to create a stoppage or a clearance opportunity?
Because all Milne did was kick 5 goals from limited possessions (10?) in a game where the ball was significantly on the ground and in scrimmage positions - favouring the small/mid-sized players and where Sydney's resources clearly out-pointed St Kilda's and why we ultimately lost.
Schnieder was similarly inefffective in a game where his skill set was required.
Mature, experienced body expected to share the contested ground ball. Saad has probably never played in such a game, and will learn.
Even, as Sydney showed, winning the hard possession and ensuring you hold the ball in if there is no team mate release opportunity (a review of the holding the ball rule is required here to improve the flow of the game and stamp out this blight of standing and holding your opponent's arms around you pleading that you can not release when the sole intention is to hold in and get a second ruck contest), creating a secondary bounce and a second opportunity to get players around the contest, with the aim of releasing one.
Milne was missing in this game - and against the likes of Sydney St Kilda can not afford to have anyone missing in such a contest.
So, for his 5 goals Milne got into the last position of my best 6 - and past that we had no one who qualified for best 6 so that is a commentary in itself.
Goals need to be kicked, but teams kick goals and I am always appreciative of the lead up work to put or keep the ball in such a position that goals can be kicked - and the pressure put on the opposition to keep the ball within striking distance of goal.
That is why goals per se do not influence me and I do not consider "2 goals a game" as a meaningful indicator of impact.
I look far wider than that.
Do some of you finally get the message?
Montagna, Armitage, Steven and Jones busted their guts, and Hayes was effective in the last but we needed all hands on deck bashing in to get hands on the ball so Sydney did not have their hands on the ball.
This is one of the worst pieces of analysis that I have ever read.
I knew there was a reason I never read your long winded crap. Thank you for reminding me.
I agree IN FULL with To the Top.
Milne- 5 Goals is a nice return, especially considering he seems to play below his normal in interstate games.
But he got less than 10 possies. Normally he would only have kicked 1.3 or something. So his overall contribution was far less than ideal for a veteran like him.
His other comments are right on the money, 100%. Well done, To The Top.
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To the top wrote:That is why goals per se do not influence me and I do not consider "2 goals a game" as a meaningful indicator of impact.
I look far wider than that.
Do some of you finally get the message?
yeah, you've got a real blind spot about milney, hey?
measure robert harvey on hitouts won and he would have played three games not 383. measure max hudghton on goals kicked and he won't measure up that well. measure lenny hayes on how many chicks he roots each week and you'll have trouble keeping him in the side.
maybe it makes more sense to measure players on how well they perform their role, rather than making up arbitrary measures which have no bearing on anything?
Aging small forward kicks half his teams goals against the top team interstate. One of them a goty contender, three of them from 50m in swirling winds.
Crap game, honest...if you look 'wider'.
unbelievable. take a year of good posts for ttt to break even after that
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To the top wrote:Milne kicked 3 in the first quarter, one by utilising his evasion skills when surrounded by 4 defenders (which was not unusual because Sydney swarmed around the contest far better than St Kilda) and kicked another 2 in the last.
Was it 3 of those goals he kicked from some distance out, using the gusting and swirling wind to get good distance?
Each of those long shots were set shots, so he improved on season performance but, in each instance, he was hit on the chest.
In a contested game he did not win hard ball - and was ineffectice in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, allowing for the ball hardly entering our F50 in the 2nd quarter.
Of course, we also did not have a forward line in the 2nd quarter - it was all hands to the decks - hence the desperate hacks from defence were finding Sydney chests and the ball was coming straight back into the Sydney F50.
The pressure mounted and mounted.
In these circumstances certain of our players were found wanting against the body and the physicallity and contributed little.
I left Gilbert out of those who persisted earlier.
Milne was up the ground during these times of absolute stretch but did not get near the ball.
The real question for me is, acknowledging the 5 goals and the manner in which those opportunities were created then finished, should we expect more presence from a 32 year old veteran of over 250 games and do we expect him to use his mature body and experience to contest a ground level game and win the ball to create a stoppage or a clearance opportunity?
Because all Milne did was kick 5 goals from limited possessions (10?) in a game where the ball was significantly on the ground and in scrimmage positions - favouring the small/mid-sized players and where Sydney's resources clearly out-pointed St Kilda's and why we ultimately lost.
Schnieder was similarly inefffective in a game where his skill set was required.
Mature, experienced body expected to share the contested ground ball. Saad has probably never played in such a game, and will learn.
Even, as Sydney showed, winning the hard possession and ensuring you hold the ball in if there is no team mate release opportunity (a review of the holding the ball rule is required here to improve the flow of the game and stamp out this blight of standing and holding your opponent's arms around you pleading that you can not release when the sole intention is to hold in and get a second ruck contest), creating a secondary bounce and a second opportunity to get players around the contest, with the aim of releasing one.
Milne was missing in this game - and against the likes of Sydney St Kilda can not afford to have anyone missing in such a contest.
So, for his 5 goals Milne got into the last position of my best 6 - and past that we had no one who qualified for best 6 so that is a commentary in itself.
Goals need to be kicked, but teams kick goals and I am always appreciative of the lead up work to put or keep the ball in such a position that goals can be kicked - and the pressure put on the opposition to keep the ball within striking distance of goal.
That is why goals per se do not influence me and I do not consider "2 goals a game" as a meaningful indicator of impact.
I look far wider than that.
Do some of you finally get the message?
Montagna, Armitage, Steven and Jones busted their guts, and Hayes was effective in the last but we needed all hands on deck bashing in to get hands on the ball so Sydney did not have their hands on the ball.
Why do you continue to waste words. You could have easily said "I hate Milne and I also dont understand footy. Last year I wanted Cahill to replace Milne and Johnson to play FB. I have since been told by someone at the club that they were mistakenly delisted"
I repeat again, St Kilda are bereft of players with the body size to hold down key positions down the spine, plus Riewoldt, Koschitzke and Fisher are all closing in on 30 years of age and in the twilight of their careers.
So we delist players of 191 and 194 cm who showed some potential when fit (and they were drafted by St Kilda so what does that say?), with no obvious replacements on our list.
Personally, because of the structure of our list I would have retained both Cahill and Johnson for one more season to see exactly how they could contribute and if they represented long term key position players - because we do not have any.
Ferguson and Archer, both rookies, and Wilkes along with the absent Stanley represent our depth and our future.
Look at the spine of Sandringham and tell me where our future and our reserves are.
Milne is 32 years of age and in the twilight - no matter his 5 goals last week in a LOSING team and noting that I have said that I had him in my best 6 - in sixth position and no higher for the reasons outlined.
Old Mate wrote:Ray should come in I can't understand why he was dropped after the Brissy game unless injured. I think it's time to drop Kosi and see how we go with one ruck and Wilkes up forward.
wilkes is NOT in my opinion an afl standard player.....now i know the coach disagrees, but.........
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Old Mate wrote:Ray should come in I can't understand why he was dropped after the Brissy game unless injured. I think it's time to drop Kosi and see how we go with one ruck and Wilkes up forward.
wilkes is NOT in my opinion an afl standard player.....now i know the coach disagrees, but.........
), but looking like we share concerns re the Kosi...
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