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Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
All because his 5 year clean record INCLUDES 2007 which was his rookie year.
Is that making up the rules on the run or legit?
Seems dodgy. A convenient way to reduce down his penalty to
Stop Eddie bitching.
Is that making up the rules on the run or legit?
Seems dodgy. A convenient way to reduce down his penalty to
Stop Eddie bitching.
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Glad his 1st game v saints. Will be hesitant & definitely
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in the team.
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
Foolish system.
Goddard gets 2, and Wellingham gets 3. Make some sense out of that!
Goddard gets 2, and Wellingham gets 3. Make some sense out of that!
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Johnny Member wrote:Foolish system.
Goddard gets 2, and Wellingham gets 3. Make some sense out of that!
As opposed to other system when one week the guy in charge was in a good mood and let people off and the next week he was in a bad mood and gave a similar incident weeks.
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Welling ham 3 for a dog act which resulted in serious injury and missing the rest of the game and another 4
Goddard 2 for slinging someone high and they kicked a goal 10 minutes later
Seems fair....
Goddard 2 for slinging someone high and they kicked a goal 10 minutes later
Seems fair....
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
Was it Wellingham Lyon rejected when Luke Ball was leaving for Collingwood? Or was it Goldsack? Just can't remember which one it was.
Gee if it was Wellingham, Lyon's stubbon attitude caused us to miss out on a very valuable player...... Wellingham has been playing consistently well of recent times.
Gee if it was Wellingham, Lyon's stubbon attitude caused us to miss out on a very valuable player...... Wellingham has been playing consistently well of recent times.
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
How is it any different now? It simply comes down to the evaluation on intent, force and where the player made contact. It is still subjective and still seems to rely on what mood the MRP is in. They must have been in a good mood this week!plugger66 wrote:Johnny Member wrote:Foolish system.
Goddard gets 2, and Wellingham gets 3. Make some sense out of that!
As opposed to other system when one week the guy in charge was in a good mood and let people off and the next week he was in a bad mood and gave a similar incident weeks.
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Sainterman wrote:How is it any different now? It simply comes down to the evaluation on intent, force and where the player made contact. It is still subjective and still seems to rely on what mood the MRP is in. They must have been in a good mood this week!plugger66 wrote:Johnny Member wrote:Foolish system.
Goddard gets 2, and Wellingham gets 3. Make some sense out of that!
As opposed to other system when one week the guy in charge was in a good mood and let people off and the next week he was in a bad mood and gave a similar incident weeks.
At least you know how they came to a decision even if you disagree with it.
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The problem is it makes it so very rigid. Classification of intent from reckless to deliberate or of force from low to medium or high just makes so much difference to the end result. And they seem to get this wrong too often.
Seeing Goddard get 2 and Wellingham get 3 just highlights how wrong the system still is.
Yes, it is an improvement on the grounds that we can see what logic has been applied to the verdict, but no, not an improvement in the outcomes that we are getting. And, in the end, it is the outcome that matters.
It still needs to be tweaked to work better than it currently does. Don't you agree?
Seeing Goddard get 2 and Wellingham get 3 just highlights how wrong the system still is.
Yes, it is an improvement on the grounds that we can see what logic has been applied to the verdict, but no, not an improvement in the outcomes that we are getting. And, in the end, it is the outcome that matters.
It still needs to be tweaked to work better than it currently does. Don't you agree?
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Should have been 5 to 4.
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Sainterman wrote:The problem is it makes it so very rigid. Classification of intent from reckless to deliberate or of force from low to medium or high just makes so much difference to the end result. And they seem to get this wrong too often.
Seeing Goddard get 2 and Wellingham get 3 just highlights how wrong the system still is.
Yes, it is an improvement on the grounds that we can see what logic has been applied to the verdict, but no, not an improvement in the outcomes that we are getting. And, in the end, it is the outcome that matters.
It still needs to be tweaked to work better than it currently does. Don't you agree?
It is tweaked all the time and I suppose it will be again next year. The thing is BJ got 3 and Wellingham got 5 so at least that is a 2 week difference. They then have the good record and the guilty plea. I certainly agree with the good record part but the guilty plea part is still a mystery to me. Neither BJ or Wellingham could have pleaded not guilty. They were to obvious.
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
He would have been lucky to get 10! I think they might've de-registered him for that!jays wrote:What junk if it Baker would of got 10
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
loris wrote:Was it Wellingham Lyon rejected when Luke Ball was leaving for Collingwood? Or was it Goldsack? Just can't remember which one it was.
Gee if it was Wellingham, Lyon's stubbon attitude caused us to miss out on a very valuable player...... Wellingham has been playing consistently well of recent times.
neither- they were trying to get North to take the player whichever- so Saints got a pick high enough to get Everitt from Dogs.
so Saints were never actually offered either..
BJ has a longer ' Good' record but only got reduction of 1 week-
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they stated with BJ- 'No good or bad record'- how can they have neither???
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
surprise surprise he's accepted it quicly- no thinking about it for 12 hours..
I also disliked the way he got out into the media and pleaded his case over the weekend......
I also disliked the way he got out into the media and pleaded his case over the weekend......
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
saintbrat wrote:loris wrote:Was it Wellingham Lyon rejected when Luke Ball was leaving for Collingwood? Or was it Goldsack? Just can't remember which one it was.
Gee if it was Wellingham, Lyon's stubbon attitude caused us to miss out on a very valuable player...... Wellingham has been playing consistently well of recent times.
neither- they were trying to get North to take the player whichever- so Saints got a pick high enough to get Everitt from Dogs.
so Saints were never actually offered either..
BJ has a longer ' Good' record but only got reduction of 1 week-![]()
they stated with BJ- 'No good or bad record'- how can they have neither???
You can defiantly have neither. Your good record is 5 years. Your bad record is 3 years. Or maybe the AFL made up a special rule for us. You seem to think it only happens to us.
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did he actually play in his rookie year? If not thenI suggest this is stupid as here is no way he could have a suspension during that first year, thus te 5 year good behaviour is a farce. Just does not sit right, they always say the injury effects the outcome yet this does not sem the case this time, asked sipson f he wants a reduction in his 6 weeks on the sidelines.... hmmmm
Add to that hocking's judge to hitbody when it was obviously caused a hit to the head shows that the MRP is a joke right now.
Add to that hocking's judge to hitbody when it was obviously caused a hit to the head shows that the MRP is a joke right now.
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Universally seen as a disgusting act, and a pathetic ruling by the tribunal
Goddard should have got 1 for stupidity for a careless and intentional act that was harmless
Welling ham 4 for a careless and intentional act that was dangerous
Goddard should have got 1 for stupidity for a careless and intentional act that was harmless
Welling ham 4 for a careless and intentional act that was dangerous
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
what everyone seems to be forgetting is that the wellingham collision was in the act of spoiling, in play
goddard was off the ball
goddard was off the ball
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Which incident is more dangerous and could result in serious injury.....
That's the sort of incident that need to be stamped out.... Where people ignore the ball to make contact high in a forceful manner....
It could seriously injur someone.....
That's the sort of incident that need to be stamped out.... Where people ignore the ball to make contact high in a forceful manner....
It could seriously injur someone.....
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Once again a confusing result .
We all know that wellingham didn't mean to break the guy's jaw , but he did and only gets three weeks ! So players will just keep doing it !
Like all those sling tackles , Kosi got weeks cos the guy was slighty concussed , but far worse have been done since and because the player is un-injured , the player gets off or a one week ban .
In saturday nights game there was 3 tackles that were slings , 2 by ess , 1 by us , luckily the tackled player had an arm free so there was no chance of concussion ! .
But the sling occurred and I feel it just a matter of time before someone is seriously injured !
WHY ?
Because the mrp lets players Off !
The Afl crap on about duty of care , This is subjective as some players are tough like lenny , after he went to the bench you could see him tell the doctor he's alright , whilst cheap shot artiste's like harvey of NM would have been carried off sooking like a little girl .
This doesn't stop players from doing risky tackles or bumps !
Its russian roulette for the players .
Yet if every bump and sling were penalised , obviously more weeks if someone is injured , players would stop doing them !
We all know that wellingham didn't mean to break the guy's jaw , but he did and only gets three weeks ! So players will just keep doing it !
Like all those sling tackles , Kosi got weeks cos the guy was slighty concussed , but far worse have been done since and because the player is un-injured , the player gets off or a one week ban .
In saturday nights game there was 3 tackles that were slings , 2 by ess , 1 by us , luckily the tackled player had an arm free so there was no chance of concussion ! .
But the sling occurred and I feel it just a matter of time before someone is seriously injured !
WHY ?
Because the mrp lets players Off !
The Afl crap on about duty of care , This is subjective as some players are tough like lenny , after he went to the bench you could see him tell the doctor he's alright , whilst cheap shot artiste's like harvey of NM would have been carried off sooking like a little girl .
This doesn't stop players from doing risky tackles or bumps !
Its russian roulette for the players .
Yet if every bump and sling were penalised , obviously more weeks if someone is injured , players would stop doing them !
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
Mickey mouse organization, Mickey mouse decision. Once again the AFL are shown up as the most amateurish sports org in the professional world. Rugby league is run better in regards to the running of the actual sport, rather than the sideshow around it.
All the new rules have done is increase the subjectivity of the decision - was it high, was it in play, was it low, md, high impact, what happened to the victim, who does he play for, is he a marquee player, what does Eddie reckon, etc.
Was the worst act I've seen in footy for a few years, and should've got six weeks minmum - cowardly dog act.
All the new rules have done is increase the subjectivity of the decision - was it high, was it in play, was it low, md, high impact, what happened to the victim, who does he play for, is he a marquee player, what does Eddie reckon, etc.
Was the worst act I've seen in footy for a few years, and should've got six weeks minmum - cowardly dog act.
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The good record / bad record rule is the biggest load of shiteplugger66 wrote:You can defiantly have neither. Your good record is 5 years. Your bad record is 3 years. Or maybe the AFL made up a special rule for us. You seem to think it only happens to us.
Two players can hit someone in exactly the same way causing the exact same injuries but because one has been suspended previously and one has not means one cops it worse
In this case you can break a guys jaw with a crude dangerous front on charge and only cop one week more than a guy who happy slaps someone across the neck who fakes being hurt ..... all because the first guy has a good record????
If you do the crime you should do the time .... period
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desertsaint wrote:Mickey mouse organization, Mickey mouse decision. Once again the AFL are shown up as the most amateurish sports org in the professional world. Rugby league is run better in regards to the running of the actual sport, rather than the sideshow around it.
All the new rules have done is increase the subjectivity of the decision - was it high, was it in play, was it low, md, high impact, what happened to the victim, who does he play for, is he a marquee player, what does Eddie reckon, etc.
Was the worst act I've seen in footy for a few years, and should've got six weeks minmum - cowardly dog act.
Well he did get 5 weeks. And you realise we have pretty much the same system as the NRL. Can you give us rundown of how the NRL is run as you know it is run better than the AFL. I will go out on a very short limb and say it is the best run professional sport in Australia. Ring Patrick Smith tomorrow. An AFL apologist he is not and suggest it is the worst run sport in Australia. My guess is he would say it is the best run. By the way he hates the MRP so you will on common ground there.
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Re: Wellingham only 3. Can play vs Saints
Yet Simpson had his jaw broken and Wright was obviously faking being hurtsunsaint wrote:what everyone seems to be forgetting is that the wellingham collision was in the act of spoiling, in play
goddard was off the ball
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