Milney- final season?

[Teflon]

...We cant play all of Schneider, Milne, Saad, Milera in fwd line with Stanley coming back also.....

Imo Schneider and Milera will be competing for a game when Stanley comes in.

Milne is still doing enough, while he has his pace he's ok.

3 talls and 3 smalls.

does he have his pace though?

[Leo.J]

...We cant play all of Schneider, Milne, Saad, Milera in fwd line with Stanley coming back also.....

Imo Schneider and Milera will be competing for a game when Stanley comes in.

Milne is still doing enough, while he has his pace he's ok.

3 talls and 3 smalls.

does he have his pace though?

Yes... I believe so.

I think Milera has alot to offer in the future, but for me Schneider is in front of him when fit.

Saad has been great, and has a good defensive side of his game.

Milne is still taking a good defender and generally kicking goals, he is one dimensional but imo he has still got another year in him.

That is just my gut feeling, it is up to Scotty and Chris at the end of the day.

[Teflon]

Imo Schneider and Milera will be competing for a game when Stanley comes in.

Milne is still doing enough, while he has his pace he's ok.

3 talls and 3 smalls

Yes... I believe so.

I think Milera has alot to offer in the future, but for me Schneider is in front of him when fit.

Saad has been great, and has a good defensive side of his game.

Milne is still taking a good defender and generally kicking goals, he is one dimensional but imo he has still got another year in him.

That is just my gut feeling, it is up to Scotty and Chris at the end of the day.

So where to for Milera next year? with Schneider, Saad and Milne keeping him out......

I reckon the clubs given him 11 games for a reason and IF we cant win the flag this season we have to improve......surely thats got to be via youth so not giving them games hurt them.

[Leo.J]

...So where to for Milera next year? with Schneider, Saad and Milne keeping him out......

I reckon the clubs given him 11 games for a reason and IF we cant win the flag this season we have to improve......surely thats got to be via youth so not giving them games hurt them.

There is a fair chance that I'm off the mark with this one.

But it is a long season and we're only half way. Right now this is where I'm at with it.

Lets see where these guys are at years end, if Milne kicks 25-30 goals from now on it would be hard to retire him.

It's up to Milne what happens really.

[vacuous space]

Milne IS a fwd pocket specialist and hes been a ripper BUT moving fwd do we/can we continue to have players who can only play 1 position on the ground...

I don't see why not. Milne's lack of versatility isn't exactly a new thing. He's not going to get dropped because he can't take a run on the ball. The only way he's getting dropped is if he's struggling as a forward. Right now, he's not, so it's entirely hypothetical. Even if we can't play all our forwards when Mac and Stanley return, it's not going to be Milne that goes out. I see no signs to suggest we should expect anything other than Milne's return in 2013 or why we'd want anything else.

[Teflon]

Agreed Leo.

Its a hard one - Milne has been great as a player but Im almost wondering if, given where this side is at, if getting games into youth is more important than the 4 pts....I know that sounds strange....and we always love to win........but if we are focussed on building our next premiership shot...I reckon Milera stands a better chance to being part of the that than Milne...

Your right though, the rest of the season and what Milne does will play a huge part in answering this.

[Teflon]

Milne IS a fwd pocket specialist and hes been a ripper BUT moving fwd do we/can we continue to have players who can only play 1 position on the ground...

I don't see why not. Milne's lack of versatility isn't exactly a new thing. He's not going to get dropped because he can't take a run on the ball. The only way he's getting dropped is if he's struggling as a forward. Right now, he's not, so it's entirely hypothetical. Even if we can't play all our forwards when Mac and Stanley return, it's not going to be Milne that goes out. I see no signs to suggest we should expect anything other than Milne's return in 2013 or why we'd want anything else.

All true if you accept Milnes not losing any pace or if you accept that Milne plays ahead of a kid therefore slowing their development and if thats the right thing to do IF this side isnt challenging for a flag now but building for another shot in the next few years.

Im also not convinced cause "Milnes averaging 2 goals now" that this is the answer in terms of what we may want from a fwd set up in future - Milnes been great for years...we're still flagless and I look at Hawks even toying with trying to move Cyril into the middle more and Freo with Balantyne doing same and to me it just seems the "specialist fwd pcoket role" is under threat.

[The Fireman]

hope not.

[Dan Warna]

blake and Milne still having good years.

Milne has been contributing around the ground and his stats suggest his form is true. Blake seems to be having one his best years statistically and i suspect in part he's allowed to move more freely.

Possibly improved medical treatments for his back? Idk but he's running hot atm as well.

[To the top]

With both Milera and Saad we are not talking "kids".

Both were recruited from senior competitions (SANFL and the VFL) not from Under 18 competitions.

Stanley will be an automatic inclusion, giving us Riewoldt, Koschitzke and Stanley up forward.

Does the remainder 2 or 3 include Milne - and for how long?

[bigcarl]

Stanley will be an automatic inclusion, giving us Riewoldt, Koschitzke and Stanley up forward.

That's not a given IMO. Stanley may be competing with Kosi for a spot.

[Life Long Saint]

Stanley will be an automatic inclusion, giving us Riewoldt, Koschitzke and Stanley up forward.

That's not a given IMO. Stanley may be competing with Kosi for a spot.

They weren't before Stanley's injury. What's changed?

[bigcarl]

Stanley will be an automatic inclusion, giving us Riewoldt, Koschitzke and Stanley up forward.

That's not a given IMO. Stanley may be competing with Kosi for a spot.

They weren't before Stanley's injury. What's changed?

For one thing, Saad has come in and made an impact. For another, Kosi's form hasn't been that flash.

Then there's the puzzling length of Stanley's injury. He's listed as 2-3 weeks away with a hamstring, so he'll have missed a lot of football. He's going to be a gun, so let's hope it's not too serious.

[Teflon]

3 genuine talks each offering different things IMO is ideal, I mean
Riewoldts gut running/ repeat efforts
Stanley's additional speed/ ruck versatility
Kosi pack breaking contests/ ruck versatility

All more important than an additional small

Saad has pace and his goal assists/ fwd tackle stats are well ahead of Milne
Milera's numbers good - apart from goals, break even or betters Milne in most
Milne still offers up 2 goal avg a game....
Then there's Schneider...

[bakes]

Hi guys,

Just wondering where you get your stats from?
From watching the games, it does appear that Saad does get a lot of goal assists, and he is involved in a lot of contests and chains of play where we score.
However, is there actual stats to back this up? I notice that the AFL website only lists Saad as having 4 goal assists for the whole year, and 0 for the Gold Coast game.
But I don't think that stat does justice to the impact he is having without the ball.
I can remember he did tap the ball in space to Dal Santo who goaled against Gold Coast.
And he also did tap the ball to Milera who goaled against Richmond (in the goal square).
I doubt these "taps" would count as a goal assist.
And in his debut game against the Hawks, he was involved in some scoring chains. He also seems to make the right decision most of the time when he has the ball.
And his defensive pressure causes opposition defenders to rush their disposal.
A lot to like about Saad.

[gringo]

An interesting one is Beau Wilkes, I know he's gone in the minds of many because he was a pretty big fail against WCE as a backman but he just keeps plugging goals in the VFL. I was at the Melbourne game and loved his team work with heaps of drawing the man and blocking space for Riewoldt and Stanley to run into. Saad is like a less selfish Milney and Wilkes a less selfish Kosi. I guess a lot of champs don't need to do as much off the ball work because they take responsibility themselves. Interesting to know wether to keep Wilkes around for when Kosi or Rooey go down or trust in youth next year and recruit a young forward or KPP.

[Teflon]

Hi guys,

Just wondering where you get your stats from?
From watching the games, it does appear that Saad does get a lot of goal assists, and he is involved in a lot of contests and chains of play where we score.
However, is there actual stats to back this up? I notice that the AFL website only lists Saad as having 4 goal assists for the whole year, and 0 for the Gold Coast game.
But I don't think that stat does justice to the impact he is having without the ball.
I can remember he did tap the ball in space to Dal Santo who goaled against Gold Coast.
And he also did tap the ball to Milera who goaled against Richmond (in the goal square).
I doubt these "taps" would count as a goal assist.
And in his debut game against the Hawks, he was involved in some scoring chains. He also seems to make the right decision most of the time when he has the ball.
And his defensive pressure causes opposition defenders to rush their disposal.
A lot to like about Saad.

Pro stats here

Saad's (remember only played 6 games) but avg 1.8 goals a game, is no 1 for GA and acts 4.0 tackles ( or was that GAs...) anyway I put these up in a thread here somewhere... His numbers are good

[elizabethr]

Hi guys,

Just wondering where you get your stats from?
From watching the games, it does appear that Saad does get a lot of goal assists, and he is involved in a lot of contests and chains of play where we score.
However, is there actual stats to back this up? I notice that the AFL website only lists Saad as having 4 goal assists for the whole year, and 0 for the Gold Coast game.
But I don't think that stat does justice to the impact he is having without the ball.
I can remember he did tap the ball in space to Dal Santo who goaled against Gold Coast.
And he also did tap the ball to Milera who goaled against Richmond (in the goal square).
I doubt these "taps" would count as a goal assist.
And in his debut game against the Hawks, he was involved in some scoring chains. He also seems to make the right decision most of the time when he has the ball.
And his defensive pressure causes opposition defenders to rush their disposal.
A lot to like about Saad.

Pro stats here

Saad's (remember only played 6 games) but avg 1.8 goals a game, is no 1 for GA and acts 4.0 tackles ( or was that GAs...) anyway I put these up in a thread here somewhere... His numbers are good

This is crap!Saad has 4 Goal Assists while Rooy has 12 and Milne 11!

[Teflon]

Hi Liz

Stats I posted earlier from pro stats are

Saad only had 6 games - he's already averaging 1.83 gls a game....is no 1 in the side for goals assists and averages 4.0 tackles a game to Milnes 2.2....offers real fwd speed and defensive

Not cr@p Liz....stay focussed . He has only played 6 games (that's almost HALF) that of Milne these are his current avg

[vacuous space]

From watching the games, it does appear that Saad does get a lot of goal assists, and he is involved in a lot of contests and chains of play where we score.
However, is there actual stats to back this up?

They keep the stat, but don't make it publicly available for whatever reason. OTC mentioned this week that Franklin, Watson and Roo are 1, 2, 3 in scoring chain involvements this year. Saad is down as having 4 goal assists and 7 score assists so he's clearly having a pretty big impact on the scoreboard when you add that to his own scores. He's getting a ton of contested ball for a guy playing mostly in the front 50. He's had a great start to his career, no doubt. Very dangerous alongside Milney.

Milera, Schneider and Siposs can play higher up so will factor into the midfield equation. In particular if we use three talls once Mac and Stanley are back. I think people are forgetting how damaging Schneider actually is. More goal assists than anyone at the club the last three years. He's also kicked a lot of goals and laid a lot of tackles. If he's 100%, I'd have him starting somewhere on the field without a doubt.

[vacuous space]

Stats I posted earlier from pro stats...

Pro stats is the issue. Official stats have Saad at 4 goal assists in 6 games and Milne at 11 goal assists in 11 games. If you go with score assists, Saad has 7 in 6 to Milne's 12 in 11. Either way, Roo's got them both covered with 12/23 in 11.

[Teflon]

Stats I posted earlier from pro stats...

Pro stats is the issue. Official stats have Saad at 4 goal assists in 6 games and Milne at 11 goal assists in 11 games. If you go with score assists, Saad has 7 in 6 to Milne's 12 in 11. Either way, Roo's got them both covered with 12/23 in 11.

You're right.

Just checked Footywire - whats interesting is tackles.

Milne 11 Games - 25 Tackles
Milera 11 Games - 28 Tackles
Ahmed Saad 6 Games - 24 Tackles

In 6 games thats a sensational effort by Saad when you consider how many of our goals come from turnovers.....we'll miss him enormously in Adelaide if he doesnt play.

[Scollop]

bakes wrote: Hi guys,

Just wondering where you get your stats from?
From watching the games, it does appear that Saad does get a lot of goal assists, and he is involved in a lot of contests and chains of play where we score.
However, is there actual stats to back this up? I notice that the AFL website only lists Saad as having 4 goal assists for the whole year, and 0 for the Gold Coast game.
But I don't think that stat does justice to the impact he is having without the ball.
I can remember he did tap the ball in space to Dal Santo who goaled against Gold Coast.
And he also did tap the ball to Milera who goaled against Richmond (in the goal square).
I doubt these "taps" would count as a goal assist.
And in his debut game against the Hawks, he was involved in some scoring chains. He also seems to make the right decision most of the time when he has the ball.
And his defensive pressure causes opposition defenders to rush their disposal.
A lot to like about Saad.

Contrast the above observations by bakes....backed up with hard stats from Teflon...and then here's an example below of most Saints fans views on Milney as enunciated by Kalsaint;

Milney to stay. He is a big part of the club when on the ground and certainly inspires others around him and keeps others honest (like Roo before he got his 500 goals).

I just love the bloke and love his antics even when on the boundary line responding to others in the team.

Forget about who's been a 'big part of the club' and focus on the likely scenario as per what's been delivered in finals and in crunch games on way too many occasions.

Hard decisions need to be made if we are going to be contenders. Malthouse did it with Lockyer and Medhurst in 2010...Lyon did it with Maxy too.

[Hurricane]

I feel Milney has earnt the right to pull the pin whenever he is ready. He has been a great servent of the club.

As long as there is a young guy who is ready and snapping at his heels to take his spot when he hangs up the boots I would be happy to have him in teh line up for another couple of years

BANG BANG

[Scollop]

I feel Milney has earnt the right to pull the pin whenever he is ready. He has been a great servent of the club.

As long as there is a young guy who is ready and snapping at his heels to take his spot when he hangs up the boots I would be happy to have him in teh line up for another couple of years

BANG BANG

There's a couple that are ready now. I will be happy when SW gives Cripps, Saad, or even a Ledger a go in front of Milne. This is his last season as a regular in the 22