Farren ray

[Jackli]

Does anyone know why Ray was dropped?

[skeptic]

at a guess... he's a player in his prime and his performances (minus his 1st game) are just ok...

is 'just ok" ok enough or do you sink the extra time into developing someone that can be better than ok.

there's a spot for Ray but he needs to take it and keep it

[BigMart]

I think hes important.... Gives flexibility with his ability to be offensive and defensive through the middle.

Knock is disposal

Good for Sandy yesterday

[WinnersOnly]

Yeah he was stiff to be dropped but we ned to get games into players like Newnes they are the future...

[PJ]

I don't think it's about getting games into players so much as we have more players that can play a similar position. Next week if Ben and Sam are available you may see more exclusions that seem unwarranted. That's what happens when you get a bit of depth.

[longtimesaint]

We have another 6 day break to go to Adelaide and they are comong off a bye.
I think some of the inclusions were done against GC to leave some fresh players for this week.

[plugger66]

We have another 6 day break to go to Adelaide and they are comong off a bye.
I think some of the inclusions were done against GC to leave some fresh players for this week.

So you think Cripps will come back in? i doubt it. I think the only changes will be Fisher and Geary if both are fit. Dont reckon the 6 day break will much effect. Not a physical game at all. More like a very hard training run.

[desertsaint]

Very stiff to be dropped. I'd assumed an injury or illness. Was bog on return, since then very serviceable. Scratching my head?

[BigMart]

Played the next day...

He was dropped

[longtimesaint]

We have another 6 day break to go to Adelaide and they are comong off a bye.
I think some of the inclusions were done against GC to leave some fresh players for this week.

So you think Cripps will come back in? i doubt it. I think the only changes will be Fisher and Geary if both are fit. Dont reckon the 6 day break will much effect. Not a physical game at all. More like a very hard training run.

I don't think Cripps will come in but ?I think Ray will.
Adelaide have several gun midfielders and Ray can be an effective stopper.
I think McEvoy, Fisher and Ray will all come in.

[plugger66]

We have another 6 day break to go to Adelaide and they are comong off a bye.
I think some of the inclusions were done against GC to leave some fresh players for this week.

So you think Cripps will come back in? i doubt it. I think the only changes will be Fisher and Geary if both are fit. Dont reckon the 6 day break will much effect. Not a physical game at all. More like a very hard training run.

I don't think Cripps will come in but ?I think Ray will.
Adelaide have several gun midfielders and Ray can be an effective stopper.
I think McEvoy, Fisher and Ray will all come in.

But you said it was to have fresh legs. I dont see how bringing Ray will give them fresh legs. And I really doubt they will make 4 changes. 2 for me.

[skeptic]

We have another 6 day break to go to Adelaide and they are comong off a bye.
I think some of the inclusions were done against GC to leave some fresh players for this week.

So you think Cripps will come back in? i doubt it. I think the only changes will be Fisher and Geary if both are fit. Dont reckon the 6 day break will much effect. Not a physical game at all. More like a very hard training run.

No point speculating on this... the coaches know more about this than we do

[plugger66]

We have another 6 day break to go to Adelaide and they are comong off a bye.
I think some of the inclusions were done against GC to leave some fresh players for this week.

So you think Cripps will come back in? i doubt it. I think the only changes will be Fisher and Geary if both are fit. Dont reckon the 6 day break will much effect. Not a physical game at all. More like a very hard training run.

No point speculating on this... the coaches know more about this than we do

Pretty sure you can speculate on changes. It is after the changes happen and people whinge without knowledge when the problem occurs.

[spert]

I reckon Armo and Ray are battling for the same spot in the seniors, and at the moment Armo is really delivering the goods.

[BigMart]

You know P66 sometimes coaches just get it wrong.

Knowledge is something you don't have either..... So your opinion of defending is no better than someone's opinion of challenging....

If you don't think we have made critical mistakes from the box, your delusional.... Sometimes with selection, drafting, tactics there is just a poor decision made..... It is why nothing is certain in footy... Human error

[plugger66]

You know P66 sometimes coaches just get it wrong.

Knowledge is something you don't have either..... So your opinion of defending is no better than someone's opinion of challenging....

If you don't think we have made critical mistakes from the box, your delusional.... Sometimes with selection, drafting, tactics there is just a poor decision made..... It is why nothing is certain in footy... Human error

Of course my position defending is stronger than opinion arguing unless of the course position arguing knows the game plan, the fitness of players and many other things. My guess is they dont. And coaches make mistakes. Fair dinkum. Would never have guessed but most people claim the mistakes in hindsight. Is not playing Ledger a mistake. Who on here would know but many say it is. I will back that coaches know what they are doing with him. Many said playing Gram and Blake were mistakes. Doesnt look like it from my point of veiw.

[BigMart]

You backing the coach, never...

I watched Tom yesterday.... He could easily be playing AFL and is easily better than Cripps.

[plugger66]

You backing the coach, never...

I watched Tom yesterday.... He could easily be playing AFL and is easily better than Cripps.

So why doesnt he play him? Does he like worse players in our side. That is my point. You have no idea why. Neither do I but I aint whinging about it because they have all the facts. Unless you have them you are guessing. It seems every coach we have makes many mistakes and people like you make none. Surprised you have nevr tried to get into the AFL system. Why dont or didnt you?

[bergsone]

Seem to remember same thread last year.My opinion hasnt changed,you watch Ray and he has all the ability,and you think he will take next step and become a top liner,but it doesnt happen.1 or 2 good games,couple of average,next he struggling to keep his spot

Hope he doesnt end his career as a GOP,because IMO he is better than that,time is running out?

[MCG-Unit]

Was it Round 7 v Carlton, Ray was almost voted best for the Saints? (9 coaches' votes) Maybe he was tipped out for team balance or some other reason, doubt it would be form as I don't think he's played all that poorly since Rnd 7.

[mr six o'clock]

Yes , was stiff to be dropped , but hopefully this is a good problem to have , experienced players knowing that if they don't perform at their best , someone is just itching to take their spot .
Good also to see the Watters is still going to play a certain amount of kids before the older players , this may change come finals however for the first time in years we can see what the future looks like !

[Megsie]

Lets just wait & see why Farren wasn't playing before slagging the guy.
He's a great "link" man for our side & has been playing very well.

[Junction Oval]

It's a question of who does he replace. If Saad is out and Sneids takes his place, Ray should get the Sub role.

[Old Mate]

With Steven and Armo becoming regular mid rotations and Newnes and Geary the preferred small defenders and Gram and Gilbert the running back flankers/wingers there doesn't leave any room for Ray. With a fit list he'd be our 25th (thereabouts) player picked. Unless he finds an extra gear then he will remain a depth player.

[Teflon]

Seem to remember same thread last year.My opinion hasnt changed,you watch Ray and he has all the ability,and you think he will take next step and become a top liner,but it doesnt happen.1 or 2 good games,couple of average,next he struggling to keep his spot

Hope he doesnt end his career as a GOP,because IMO he is better than that,time is running out?

Totally agree.

His best is certain 22
Problem is consistency. Ray can go from BOG to "is Farren out there today" pretty quickly. His last game before he was dropped was ok....his first game back sensational...thats his problem.

IF he could string his best together for runs of 4-5 on trot...youd start to say he's earnt some credits.........aka our better players....facts are he doesnt and his next quiet game becomes expected and makes him an easy target to drop - especially in a side toying with its youth for the future...

Only Ray can change that cycle.