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You're a funny man, but I admire your persistence…To the top wrote:And, he is now 32 years of age - and hardly a Hayes.
Coz...To the top wrote:Why the hype over Ledger?
Also coz he's quick, tenacious, inside and outside/run n' carry player, kicks long and well with both feet, likes a goal, performed well whenever given a senior game previously - only stopped out by injury. That's his past and present. I reckon with game time and a chance to settle in, his future will be even better for us.Old Mate wrote:All I know is Ledger has been consistently in Sandy's best players and still isn't considered in the best 25 for St Kilda. Weird.
I share your faith Eastern, and I hope that all the powers that be want Ledge' in our starting team soon.Eastern wrote:I'm guessing that Tommy Ledger has some deficiencies that need to be addressed before he is selected. Things like; building a BIGGER tank, building confidence in his body etc. The one thing that I am sure about is that the coaches, fitness staff & medicos would know a whole lot more about the situation than anyone on here. I have faith in those running the club. Ledger will be selected if/when the powers believe he warrants selection !!
I can think of '1'.To the top wrote:Based on our second half performance against West Coast when our midfielders got us back into the game by a fierce attack on the ball and the player who do you drop? Dal Santo, Hayes, Montagna Steven, Jones, Armitage?
If that's true it'll cost the Dreamons Jack Wattshisname or (preferably) their number 90 draft pick...Sobraz wrote:Rumored to have already signed with Melbourne for next year and thats why Watters wont play him...
Fact - he kicks goalsTo the top wrote:Milne is a downhill skier P99.
My opinion, always has been and I am sticking to it because I see no evidence to the contary.
He skirts with his hand in the air, attempts to play as a tall forward who can outmark his opponent (and all sides have woken up and now put bigger bodied players on him (Harry "let me have a run" from Collingwood and who else has been best on ground as his opponent?) which also negates him from leading his opponent under the ball and then dropping back behind them looking for the cheap kick), occasionally but very occasionally leads (once last Saturday), is not a crumbing/front and centre/lock in forward, has very average ball use skills except for when in range of goal (where his skills are diminishing with now frequent misses) and applies very limited defensive pressure including because he lacks pace.
The upshot is that he kicks his goals running in space (and around corners) not by contesting. Relies exclusively on being the beneficiary.
Plus he is in the upper echelon of "Frees against" across the league including because he does not give off - hence all the "holding the ball" decisions - and a free disposal in defence these days (even from a point) is an invitation to score at the other end and particularly when you can put absolutely no chase pressure on.
So pick the eyes out of that!
And, he is now 32 years of age - and hardly a Hayes.
You don't think he could play the role Cripps has played K. What about the sub role? What does Cripps bring that Ledger doesn't in the sub role. Siposs played on the wing when he played.SainterK wrote:Is he a midfielder?
Pretty hard to break in I reckon, I mean this group won the clearances v Nic-Nat and Cox.
It may just be that simple?
But what about Newnes?hungry for a premiership wrote:I'd take ledger in front of Nuenes.
Ledger may be a bit raw but Neunes is raw as F***.
I know this will draw the ire of many on here, but I didn't really see anything about Nuenes that looked particularly good in the games he played for us.
Hope he proves me wrong...
What do you class Cripps, Siposs and Newnes as. Where do they fit into your side? Obviously in a different class to Ledger. Heard of the Sub.PJ wrote:Ledger at this point won't get a game ahead of Hayes, Steven or Armitage. That's who he has to replace. He's not a defender, not a forward, not a ruckman, not a key position player - he's a mid. Wilkes and Stanley went out....it's pretty straight forward.
Cripps, Sipposs and Newnes are more flanker types. Newnes has great awareness and uses the ball well. Sipposs has a deadly leg and a good mark. Cripps can generate run off the back line. All 3 are different players to Ledger - he is an in and under mid.8856brother wrote:What do you class Cripps, Siposs and Newnes as. Where do they fit into your side? Obviously in a different class to Ledger. Heard of the Sub.PJ wrote:Ledger at this point won't get a game ahead of Hayes, Steven or Armitage. That's who he has to replace. He's not a defender, not a forward, not a ruckman, not a key position player - he's a mid. Wilkes and Stanley went out....it's pretty straight forward.
a sub needs versatility. Ledger is a pure mid, short, light weight but a ball winner.What role is that?Teflon wrote:Ive no doubt Ledger could do Cripps role.
To not even crack an emergency.....is odd.
Exactly. We have a winner.PJ wrote:What role is that?Teflon wrote:Ive no doubt Ledger could do Cripps role.
To not even crack an emergency.....is odd.
PJ wrote:What position does Ledger play when he comes in? Who goes out? Can Ledger cover several roles? Does he have versatilty?
PJ wrote:What position does Ledger play when he comes in? Who goes out? Can Ledger cover several roles? Does he have versatilty?
Teflon wrote:PJ wrote:What position does Ledger play when he comes in? Who goes out? Can Ledger cover several roles? Does he have versatilty?
Why couldnt Ledger play a sub role? - even if that sub role meant he went fwd cause Milne went awol? or to midfield cause Armo went awol??
Are you saying he already at such a young career age is purely pencilled in as a mid and thats it? - tad early for mine.
Ledger IMHO can play the sub role Cripps has in past - infact, id like to compare their output because what is FACT right now is that Legers output both pre season and in VFL across this year eclipses Cripps.
IF we get 1 good game in 10 from Armo does Ledger get a look at that? Could his output equal that of Armo's last game? (and lets be honest prior to that Armo hadnt been setting the world on fire...)...and neither has this team over the year thus far tbh.
FWIW i also reckon Ledger could be trained as a tagger (wasted) but he could do it and surely his footskills alone are a step up on Jones???
I think there are multiple roles he could play. He's put his hand up with good performances in VFL and for some reason cant crack an emergency gig over Schneider whose played 1 VFL game in 2 mths....?????
Odd.