How costly was the Port Loss??

[bob__71]

Port played well... But 1/6 says Port is gonna be bottom 4 which means a lot of teams looking for finals spots have 4 points on us...

Really it should have been an easy win........Is it going to come back to bite us???

Is this how you teach? It must be awfully depressing for your students when you temper their good results with how they wernt good enough in the past.

[gringo]

yep....said so before....will keep on saying so.....bet the bookies were pissed as well....[/quote]

They were in on it as well. They also hate us as well as the umpires and the AFL.[/quote]



To suggest that umpires aren't asked to help results by betting rings is naive, it is going to be a major concern for the AFL and a nasty byproduct of football gambling in the future. If umpires give badly one sided performances and are seen to influence the outcome of games they will look suspect.

It may be that they are influenced by the wider perception of the football community and think Freo are going up, Saints are going down lets just go with the pre conceived notion we already have. Either way it's not getting any better and we keep finding excuses for why it's s*** instead of fixing it. the comp gets better the umps get worse.

[plugger66]

yep....said so before....will keep on saying so.....bet the bookies were pissed as well....

They were in on it as well. They also hate us as well as the umpires and the AFL.[/quote]



To suggest that umpires aren't asked to help results by betting rings is naive, it is going to be a major concern for the AFL and a nasty byproduct of football gambling in the future. If umpires give badly one sided performances and are seen to influence the outcome of games they will look suspect.

It may be that they are influenced by the wider perception of the football community and think Freo are going up, Saints are going down lets just go with the pre conceived notion we already have. Either way it's not getting any better and we keep finding excuses for why it's s*** instead of fixing it. the comp gets better the umps get worse.[/quote]

The umpiring isnt getting worse. The game is actually much harder to umpire and they still make about the same mistakes as they have in the previous years. I wouldnt have a clue if umpires are asked to help with results but I will guess not many if any have ever done it.

By the way are clangers going down for players. Dont think so but who cares about them. Our team can control that but better to whinge about something out of our control. We lost to Port because we played like crap.

[gringo]

To suggest that umpires aren't asked to help results by betting rings is naive, it is going to be a major concern for the AFL and a nasty byproduct of football gambling in the future. If umpires give badly one sided performances and are seen to influence the outcome of games they will look suspect.

It may be that they are influenced by the wider perception of the football community and think Freo are going up, Saints are going down lets just go with the pre conceived notion we already have. Either way it's not getting any better and we keep finding excuses for why it's s*** instead of fixing it. the comp gets better the umps get worse.[/quote]

The umpiring isnt getting worse. The game is actually much harder to umpire and they still make about the same mistakes as they have in the previous years. I wouldnt have a clue if umpires are asked to help with results but I will guess not many if any have ever done it.


By the way are clangers going down for players. Dont think so but who cares about them. Our team can control that but better to whinge about something out of our control. We lost to Port because we played like crap.[/quote]


Port deserved to win as they played 4 quarters but when we decided to burn them off the umpiring kept coming at extraordinary times with the effect of stopping our run, it looked bad or poorly delivered. Freo was a disgrace and even you couldn't say it was fairly administered adjudication.

If the umpiring is getting worse because it is harder to administer then someone should take back control of the overall rules committee and umpiring directors role and try to make it better. The umpires will have question marks over their honesty when the are deemed to be lop sided. It's easily fixed.

[plugger66]

To suggest that umpires aren't asked to help results by betting rings is naive, it is going to be a major concern for the AFL and a nasty byproduct of football gambling in the future. If umpires give badly one sided performances and are seen to influence the outcome of games they will look suspect.

It may be that they are influenced by the wider perception of the football community and think Freo are going up, Saints are going down lets just go with the pre conceived notion we already have. Either way it's not getting any better and we keep finding excuses for why it's s*** instead of fixing it. the comp gets better the umps get worse.

The umpiring isnt getting worse. The game is actually much harder to umpire and they still make about the same mistakes as they have in the previous years. I wouldnt have a clue if umpires are asked to help with results but I will guess not many if any have ever done it.


By the way are clangers going down for players. Dont think so but who cares about them. Our team can control that but better to whinge about something out of our control. We lost to Port because we played like crap.[/quote]


Port deserved to win as they played 4 quarters but when we decided to burn them off the umpiring kept coming at extraordinary times with the effect of stopping our run, it looked bad or poorly delivered. Freo was a disgrace and even you couldn't say it was fairly administered adjudication.

If the umpiring is getting worse because it is harder to administer then someone should take back control of the overall rules committee and umpiring directors role and try to make it better. The umpires will have question marks over their honesty when the are deemed to be lop sided. It's easily fixed.[/quote]


Umpiring isnt getting worse its just harder to umpire with so many players around the ball. As for you comment its easily fixed. What rubbish. Do you think the AFL want mistakes? They are trying to make the game better as well as keeping the umpiring at a certain standard which is about 85% correct decisions. I ask you again why havent the player clanger count improved over the years? There was certainly mistakes in the Freo game against us just as we got the better run last week against Carlton or it the case that it was good umpiring last week but poor against freo. By the way you want to see bad umpiring go watch games in the 70's when it should have been much easier to umpire.

[gringo]

Port deserved to win as they played 4 quarters but when we decided to burn them off the umpiring kept coming at extraordinary times with the effect of stopping our run, it looked bad or poorly delivered. Freo was a disgrace and even you couldn't say it was fairly administered adjudication.

If the umpiring is getting worse because it is harder to administer then someone should take back control of the overall rules committee and umpiring directors role and try to make it better. The umpires will have question marks over their honesty when the are deemed to be lop sided. It's easily fixed.[/quote]


Umpiring isnt getting worse its just harder to umpire with so many players around the ball. As for you comment its easily fixed. What rubbish. Do you think the AFL want mistakes? They are trying to make the game better as well as keeping the umpiring at a certain standard which is about 85% correct decisions. I ask you again why havent the player clanger count improved over the years? There was certainly mistakes in the Freo game against us just as we got the better run last week against Carlton or it the case that it was good umpiring last week but poor against freo. By the way you want to see bad umpiring go watch games in the 70's when it should have been much easier to umpire.[/quote]


The AFL operate like a dictatorship, commentators are threatened with having limited access if they dare criticise poor administration. They might not want mistakes but they would rather take you out and convince you with their blackshirts than fix a problem. The AFL made the clangers higher by bringing in a poorly thought out rule to keep limiting rotations and bench numbers. Messier footy is the result tired bodies make more mistakes.

Umpiring shouldn't be a factor for teams to overcome for a win. They have their role confused at the moment.

[gringo]

On old school footy, I wasn't there and don't care. Just because terminal illness exists doesn't mean we shouldn't try to cure it.

[plugger66]

Port deserved to win as they played 4 quarters but when we decided to burn them off the umpiring kept coming at extraordinary times with the effect of stopping our run, it looked bad or poorly delivered. Freo was a disgrace and even you couldn't say it was fairly administered adjudication.

If the umpiring is getting worse because it is harder to administer then someone should take back control of the overall rules committee and umpiring directors role and try to make it better. The umpires will have question marks over their honesty when the are deemed to be lop sided. It's easily fixed.

Umpiring isnt getting worse its just harder to umpire with so many players around the ball. As for you comment its easily fixed. What rubbish. Do you think the AFL want mistakes? They are trying to make the game better as well as keeping the umpiring at a certain standard which is about 85% correct decisions. I ask you again why havent the player clanger count improved over the years? There was certainly mistakes in the Freo game against us just as we got the better run last week against Carlton or it the case that it was good umpiring last week but poor against freo. By the way you want to see bad umpiring go watch games in the 70's when it should have been much easier to umpire.[/quote]


The AFL operate like a dictatorship, commentators are threatened with having limited access if they dare criticise poor administration. They might not want mistakes but they would rather take you out and convince you with their blackshirts than fix a problem. The AFL made the clangers higher by bringing in a poorly thought out rule to keep limiting rotations and bench numbers. Messier footy is the result tired bodies make more mistakes.

Umpiring shouldn't be a factor for teams to overcome for a win. They have their role confused at the moment.[/quote]


Umpiring is the same as it will always be. Unless computers can umpire games they will always make mistakes. Keeping them to a minimum is what they are always trying to do unless you think they couldnt care less. If you think that then you obviously dont know how it works. As for a poorly thought out rule regarding bench numbers well i and many others think it is a great rule. Has certainly opened up the game and has actually meant less mistkes when they get tired. By the way there is no limitations on rotations so that is incorrect just like they make less clangers in the last quarter when they are the most knackered.

[perfectionist]

1000+ memberships.

[ShanghaiSaint]

Port deserved to win as they played 4 quarters but when we decided to burn them off the umpiring kept coming at extraordinary times with the effect of stopping our run, it looked bad or poorly delivered. Freo was a disgrace and even you couldn't say it was fairly administered adjudication.

If the umpiring is getting worse because it is harder to administer then someone should take back control of the overall rules committee and umpiring directors role and try to make it better. The umpires will have question marks over their honesty when the are deemed to be lop sided. It's easily fixed.

Umpiring isnt getting worse its just harder to umpire with so many players around the ball. As for you comment its easily fixed. What rubbish. Do you think the AFL want mistakes? They are trying to make the game better as well as keeping the umpiring at a certain standard which is about 85% correct decisions. I ask you again why havent the player clanger count improved over the years? There was certainly mistakes in the Freo game against us just as we got the better run last week against Carlton or it the case that it was good umpiring last week but poor against freo. By the way you want to see bad umpiring go watch games in the 70's when it should have been much easier to umpire.

The AFL operate like a dictatorship, commentators are threatened with having limited access if they dare criticise poor administration. They might not want mistakes but they would rather take you out and convince you with their blackshirts than fix a problem. The AFL made the clangers higher by bringing in a poorly thought out rule to keep limiting rotations and bench numbers. Messier footy is the result tired bodies make more mistakes.

Umpiring shouldn't be a factor for teams to overcome for a win. They have their role confused at the moment.[/quote]


Umpiring is the same as it will always be. Unless computers can umpire games they will always make mistakes. Keeping them to a minimum is what they are always trying to do unless you think they couldnt care less. If you think that then you obviously dont know how it works. As for a poorly thought out rule regarding bench numbers well i and me others think it is a great rule. Has certainly opened up the game and has actually meant less mistkes when they get tried. By the way there is no limitations on rotations so that is correct just like they make less clangers in the last quarter when they are the most knackered.[/quote]

nice post 66 do agree

[SainterK]

Dunno, but they are a better team this year for sure....especially at home.

If they beat Carlton, they may jump a couple of spots to 12th

[bobmurray]

Dunno, but they are a better team this year for sure....especially at home.

If they beat Carlton, they may jump a couple of spots to 12th

They may be a better team than our resident know alls were willing to concede

That is why is fan forums can't be taken seriously. they are wildly irrational...

[Con Gorozidis]

Dunno, but they are a better team this year for sure....especially at home.

If they beat Carlton, they may jump a couple of spots to 12th

They may be a better team than our resident know alls were willing to concede

That is why is fan forums can't be taken seriously. they are wildly irrational...

the freo loss was the one im really lamenting. beaten by that asswipe lyon on our home turf.
galling

[Sobraz]

Dunno, but they are a better team this year for sure....especially at home.

If they beat Carlton, they may jump a couple of spots to 12th

They may be a better team than our resident know alls were willing to concede

That is why is fan forums can't be taken seriously. they are wildly irrational...

the freo loss was the one im really lamenting. beaten by that asswipe lyon on our home turf.
galling

Won't happen again. They mugged us. Won't be fooled twice.

The saints & freo are going in opposite directions.

[OneEyedSainter77]

Dunno, but they are a better team this year for sure....especially at home.

If they beat Carlton, they may jump a couple of spots to 12th

They may be a better team than our resident know alls were willing to concede

That is why is fan forums can't be taken seriously. they are wildly irrational...

the freo loss was the one im really lamenting. beaten by that asswipe lyon on our home turf.
galling

That was our most gutting and disappointing loss of the season.

Port, not really surprising.

Hawthorn, clearly better.

West Coast, clearly better.

Richmond, close second since I was really confident but the Freo match had emotion and everything and we are a CLEARLY better side than them. f*** what the stupid ladder says. We're better than them,

[SainterK]

Carlton getting beaten also helps keep it open.

Hopefully they draw with Cats next week

[saintbrat]

go the Lions

[matrix]

how fantastic is hindsight

of course it was costly
same as the freo game
same as kicking 9 points straight AND missing dollies against the tigers

[BigMart]

Costly in the fact that most team will roll them ..... Not hindsight, logic

Carlton are going backwards..... Positive

[Richter]

Both the losses against Port and Freo can be put down to a slow start to the season. Either game played again now and I think the results would be different... a number of factors IMO...

- an interupted pre-season... I saw our last pre-season game against the pies and we were well off the pace... we continued that into round 1... we woke up in the 2nd quarter but still weren't entirely up to blasting past them in the second half as we should have

- coach settling in to his game plan and selecting the team he wants... yes we had an impressive win against the Dogs and Gold Coast, but we were scratchy against the Demons. Match day tactics wise Watters has shown himself to be on the improve, especially after and including the Carlton game. Tigers game we were beaten but I put that down more to lack of key personnel to be able to lock the game up a bit

- team getting used to the new balance between attack and defence. We still aren't quite there yet, as the Tigers game was way too open and played to their strengths over ours. However, we are showing signs Of improvement.

- When I say attack and defence, you can also read this as inside/outside... we got beaten on the outside vs the Hawks but beat Carlton and the Swans and nearly matched the Tigers. Inside game has been solid except for the first half vs West Coast.

[The Redeemer]

Both the losses against Port and Freo can be put down to a slow start to the season. Either game played again now and I think the results would be different... a number of factors IMO...

- an interupted pre-season... I saw our last pre-season game against the pies and we were well off the pace... we continued that into round 1... we woke up in the 2nd quarter but still weren't entirely up to blasting past them in the second half as we should have

- coach settling in to his game plan and selecting the team he wants... yes we had an impressive win against the Dogs and Gold Coast, but we were scratchy against the Demons. Match day tactics wise Watters has shown himself to be on the improve, especially after and including the Carlton game. Tigers game we were beaten but I put that down more to lack of key personnel to be able to lock the game up a bit

- team getting used to the new balance between attack and defence. We still aren't quite there yet, as the Tigers game was way too open and played to their strengths over ours. However, we are showing signs Of improvement.

- When I say attack and defence, you can also read this as inside/outside... we got beaten on the outside vs the Hawks but beat Carlton and the Swans and nearly matched the Tigers. Inside game has been solid except for the first half vs West Coast.

We still lost both games though and I would only pencil us in for a win against the Power now and it would still be 50/50 against the Dockers due to the strangulation that was employed last game.

The Port loss will come back to haunt us unless we can square it by beating a much higher placed side.

Whilst Port are on the whole rubbish, credit must be given as they played better for longer periods of time against us. We looked like we expected to fall over the line and only crapped ourselves with 10 minutes left.

[gringo]

Both the losses against Port and Freo can be put down to a slow start to the season. Either game played again now and I think the results would be different... a number of factors IMO...

- an interupted pre-season... I saw our last pre-season game against the pies and we were well off the pace... we continued that into round 1... we woke up in the 2nd quarter but still weren't entirely up to blasting past them in the second half as we should have

- coach settling in to his game plan and selecting the team he wants... yes we had an impressive win against the Dogs and Gold Coast, but we were scratchy against the Demons. Match day tactics wise Watters has shown himself to be on the improve, especially after and including the Carlton game. Tigers game we were beaten but I put that down more to lack of key personnel to be able to lock the game up a bit

- team getting used to the new balance between attack and defence. We still aren't quite there yet, as the Tigers game was way too open and played to their strengths over ours. However, we are showing signs Of improvement.

- When I say attack and defence, you can also read this as inside/outside... we got beaten on the outside vs the Hawks but beat Carlton and the Swans and nearly matched the Tigers. Inside game has been solid except for the first half vs West Coast.

We still lost both games though and I would only pencil us in for a win against the Power now and it would still be 50/50 against the Dockers due to the strangulation that was employed last game.

The Port loss will come back to haunt us unless we can square it by beating a much higher placed side.

Whilst Port are on the whole rubbish, credit must be given as they played better for longer periods of time against us. We looked like we expected to fall over the line and only crapped ourselves with 10 minutes left.

Since we played them both we have reinvented the forward line as a mosquito fleet. Saad along side Milne and Milera getting the running player who drifts in and pinches the odd goal makes us much more potent. If we could get Kos back to FF where he seemed to be getting back to his best this year and Roo as the rangy CHF we would be looking pretty competitive with most. Saad alone could be a game breaker with Freo, Lyon hates speed and unpredictability as they break down his tight zones.

[SMS]

costly ... maybe ... but thats footy and its a long season.

We are still in it. Fish and mcevoy back in this side and we can beat anyone anywherte anytime. serioius.

We can win the flag this year. Only things stopping us will be injuriers and belief. We have the KPPs, the midfield and the experience.

[saint66au]

Every side vying for the 8's forum will have a "How costly will the loss to .... be?" thread ..its that kinda season.