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I think we need a total rethink on a few key positons.
I will probably be nailed badly by my fellow sainters but my thinking outside the square would see Roo at Full Forward, Stanley @ CHF, Kosi @ CHB & (Sadly but desperatley need Goddard @ Full Back ).
I wish we could use Kosi & BJ in more creative positions but we just need to stiffen our ordinary defence atm.
I don't want to seem to panic at such an early stage but we just seem to need to shake a few things up a bit.
Burkey 1 wrote:I think we need a total rethink on a few key positons.
I will probably be nailed badly by my fellow sainters but my thinking outside the square would see Roo at Full Forward, Stanley @ CHF, Kosi @ CHB & (Sadly but desperatley need Goddard @ Full Back ).
I wish we could use Kosi & BJ in more creative positions but we just need to stiffen our ordinary defence atm.
I don't want to seem to panic at such an early stage but we just seem to need to shake a few things up a bit.
I have my armour on so go ahead and fire away.
Goddard is not accountable for an opponent, he prefers to run off and point and gesticulate to his teammates to pick up his man, we need someone better than that at Fullback.
I think we need a Fullback, a CHB, a CHF and a FF, oh, i nearly forgot, and a Ruckman who is ready now, not one who will be a gun in 2 years, apparently
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My thinking is Roo at Center Half Back. He has a huge tank, is a great mark (and can spoil) and is generally a good field kick running forward. This would take a lot of pressure off him (suddenly no 3 opponents), and give us some height and rebound from defence - he would run off many CHF's. He started his career spending time down back and I believe it may prolong his career if he goes back there, and may also make us less predictable when we go forward.
By the accounts of the Sandy game today Wilkes sounds better suited to the forward line, so maybe he could be the replacement.
Of course, this should only happen if we are several games in and are losing, and Roo is having little impact on the game. If he is playing well as a forward, leave him there.
there's really no such thing as CHF anymore, so the question really is who you have behind and who you have in front of the ball. The idea of Roo behind it makes sense insofar as in front of it is so crowded, his natural advantages (ability to outrun, high reaching arms) are neutralised by team-oriented defenses. In front of the ball you need either a big huge bloke who can take a mark in a pack plus a handful of fast, skillful, short forwards.... or a big huge bloke who can take bring the ball to ground plus a handful of fast, skillful, short forwards. That would generate a natural conclusion it would be worth trying Kozi or Goddard as the forward 'tall' and Roo one kick behind the ball. (I know Goddard isn't quite as huge but he can bustle a pack open). Drew Petri and J Brown are the two types i think of in terms of the ideal pack markers/busters these days. Another idea might be to have Kozi and Mac rotating rucks, with Roo in defense and Goddard and Stanley forward. Stanley does bring pace, and he will drag a tall defender with him. Where Kozi brings size to the forward line, he does detract from forward defensive pressure given his pack of pace. I personally reckon rotating Roo through the midfield might be the way to go. He uses the ball well, he can get it, he's good at ground level and he has the engine. He plays the Koutifidis role. Might be a better way to use a great player than wasting him in a crowded forward line where he increasingly cannot use that engine to his advantage.
my thoughts are gilbo will have to become more defensive.
if we can start winning stoppages hopefully our defence doesnt matter. i dont even what the ball onside the oppos 50 ever to be honest. happy to play the entire game in our 50
on the flipside we could play kosi and roo out of the goal square with gilbo chf.
in all scenrios we appear one tall short. if roo could play fullback then wilkes could play ff. dunno.
we are just a quality short it seems. every option is robbing peter to pay paul.
on the roo thing. doesnt watters have a thing about every player being able to play 2 positions?
roo only has one position. maybe he can go back from time to time. im surprised we havent used these praccie games to trial it.
Don't think we will see roo at chb only in small stages where needed as closing off a quarter or game etc, the fact is he has a degeneritive knee which generally means he is losing cartilage.
From his early career and nearly every year he has been having these ops to clear away the cartillage as it's degenerating. The more impact i.e running, jumping etc the faster the knee will deteriorate.
Defenders possibly now do more running moving forward, manning up on their opponent, riewoldt would be better suited in the forwardline where he can use his speed in short bursts and still be effective.
The problem with our forward line is the fact that especially in the last few years riewoldt is having more than one defender to negate his effectiveness. We need someone to step up, or not be so conscious looking for nick when we move the ball forward (and quickly and direct)
We need to grow the toungsters i think we drafted brilliantly last 2 years time to get them
Going! When reiwoldt kosi go and stanley mcevoy sipposs archer simpkin lever stand up we will be back un the top 4
This era is over, face it embrace it and enjoy watching these talented yougsters grow! time to rebuild but good news is could only take 3 years! We should be up there again in 2015.
Reiwoldt has been a great player for us. But fast becominga liability when all he can do is crash into packs and hurt our own players! He did that in 2009 gf and while he got us into that grand final, that reckless attack on the ball without looking at the siuation lost us the game watch 5 mins to go jas blake had it was going to tap to jones or whover who was free!!!
1. Kosi on the monster forwards like Cloke - I remember he shut Jonathan Brown out of the game, when Jonathan Brown was in peak form (years ago I know).
2. Stanley as the second tall... should also apply more forward pressure with his speed c.f. Kosi
3.We should aim for 10 inside 50 marks as a minimum from now on and aim to share the marking around up forward instead of kicking it to midgets (who are always going to be outmarked) or Riewoldt against 3 opponents.
So try/promote Shenton and Markworth who along with Siposs can give us a lot more marking power, height and speed up forward i.e. oust all the midget forwards except for Milne.
We can only improve our dysfunctional forward line by making some much needed changes to it .. it's that bad at the moment !
When Ben Reid started at CHF for the filth the jury was out on him. When shifted to Centre half back he flourished. I see Stanley that player for us (in time he may go fwd but..... Our key fwd set up should be Roo, Kosi and try Wilkes in the Dawes type role. We can't afford Goddard to be a lock down key backman as we need him to create and be loose to cut the opposition with his kicking. My rethink side as follows:
Dempster Simpkin Gwilt
Geary Stanley Gilbert
Fisher Hayes Goddard
Wilkes Riewoldt Schneider
Sipposs Koschitzke Milne
McEvoy It: Jones, Ledger, Steven, Cripps (sub)
Dalsanto (If Wilkes a fwd Disaster replace with one of Peake, Saad Or Milera)
saint scout 2 wrote:When Ben Reid started at CHF for the filth the jury was out on him. When shifted to Centre half back he flourished. I see Stanley that player for us (in time he may go fwd but..... Our key fwd set up should be Roo, Kosi and try Wilkes in the Dawes type role. We can't afford Goddard to be a lock down key backman as we need him to create and be loose to cut the opposition with his kicking. My rethink side as follows:
Dempster Simpkin Gwilt
Geary Stanley Gilbert
Fisher Hayes Goddard
Wilkes Riewoldt Schneider
Sipposs Koschitzke Milne
McEvoy It: Jones, Ledger, Steven, Cripps (sub)
Dalsanto (If Wilkes a fwd Disaster replace with one of Peake, Saad Or Milera)
Montagna
looks slow. swap wilkes with siposs. but u need to add some pace. saad or milera need to be in.
bobmurray wrote:
I think we need a Fullback, a CHB, a CHF and a FF, oh, i nearly forgot, and a Ruckman who is ready now, not one who will be a gun in 2 years, apparently
Hate to say it - I agree = we need to go for draft picks for a few years and a flag in 5
groupie1 wrote:there's really no such thing as CHF anymore, so the question really is who you have behind and who you have in front of the ball. The idea of Roo behind it makes sense insofar as in front of it is so crowded, his natural advantages (ability to outrun, high reaching arms) are neutralised by team-oriented defenses. In front of the ball you need either a big huge bloke who can take a mark in a pack plus a handful of fast, skillful, short forwards.... or a big huge bloke who can take bring the ball to ground plus a handful of fast, skillful, short forwards. That would generate a natural conclusion it would be worth trying Kozi or Goddard as the forward 'tall' and Roo one kick behind the ball. (I know Goddard isn't quite as huge but he can bustle a pack open). Drew Petri and J Brown are the two types i think of in terms of the ideal pack markers/busters these days. Another idea might be to have Kozi and Mac rotating rucks, with Roo in defense and Goddard and Stanley forward. Stanley does bring pace, and he will drag a tall defender with him. Where Kozi brings size to the forward line, he does detract from forward defensive pressure given his pack of pace. I personally reckon rotating Roo through the midfield might be the way to go. He uses the ball well, he can get it, he's good at ground level and he has the engine. He plays the Koutifidis role. Might be a better way to use a great player than wasting him in a crowded forward line where he increasingly cannot use that engine to his advantage.
Intelligent post outside of Roo in the middle - Roo in traffic = no good.
SMS wrote:We need to grow the toungsters i think we drafted brilliantly last 2 years time to get them
Going! When reiwoldt kosi go and stanley mcevoy sipposs archer simpkin lever stand up we will be back un the top 4
This era is over, face it embrace it and enjoy watching these talented yougsters grow! time to rebuild but good news is could only take 3 years! We should be up there again in 2015.
