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Max developed into a full back but played under Shanahan and then Penny and also at points had Voss etc. with him for the bigger guys. Max would not get away with his passionate crashes from behind these days either.
Sam Fisher is probably my impression of who Simpkin will replace long term. Ferguson would at least have the muscles for the big boys and has some skill as well but it's a huge jump from Sandy rookie to AFL full back.
Sam Fisher is probably my impression of who Simpkin will replace long term. Ferguson would at least have the muscles for the big boys and has some skill as well but it's a huge jump from Sandy rookie to AFL full back.
gringo wrote:Max developed into a full back but played under Shanahan and then Penny and also at points had Voss etc. with him for the bigger guys. Max would not get away with his passionate crashes from behind these days either.
Sam Fisher is probably my impression of who Simpkin will replace long term. Ferguson would at least have the muscles for the big boys and has some skill as well but it's a huge jump from Sandy rookie to AFL full back.
Im unsure if you have seen Fergo but muscles is what he hasnt got.
He weighs just on 90kg and is about 195cm. Reckon he has about 5to 7 kg to go before he could play on a Cloke type. May never be that type of player anyway as he is more of a running HB even though he is very tall for that type of position.PJ wrote:Ferg doesn't look too skinny from the pic at the start of this thread but photos can be deceiving.
Interesting that Scwatters has mentioned him as a possible. Perhaps the backline could be in for a bit of a reshuffle. Your right though from all reports his development is good but not that good.plugger66 wrote:He weighs just on 90kg and is about 195cm. Reckon he has about 5to 7 kg to go before he could play on a Cloke type. May never be that type of player anyway as he is more of a running HB even though he is very tall for that type of position.PJ wrote:Ferg doesn't look too skinny from the pic at the start of this thread but photos can be deceiving.
I guess then the question would be is his development ahead or behind the draftees that we are about to receive?
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
Dont get me wrong. He is developing very well and will be way ahead of the players we draft if it there first year in the AFL. I actually think with a bit of lucky with injury on his behalf he will be ungraded during the year as he really can play. He just isnt ready for FB in my opinion.PJ wrote:Interesting that Scwatters has mentioned him as a possible. Perhaps the backline could be in for a bit of a reshuffle. Your right though from all reports his development is good but not that good.plugger66 wrote:He weighs just on 90kg and is about 195cm. Reckon he has about 5to 7 kg to go before he could play on a Cloke type. May never be that type of player anyway as he is more of a running HB even though he is very tall for that type of position.PJ wrote:Ferg doesn't look too skinny from the pic at the start of this thread but photos can be deceiving.
I guess then the question would be is his development ahead or behind the draftees that we are about to receive?
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I haven't seen him play live but he looks big on telly. Must be an optical illusion. He looked skilful and solid which was what I thought was going to be his strength. Delist him.plugger66 wrote:gringo wrote:Max developed into a full back but played under Shanahan and then Penny and also at points had Voss etc. with him for the bigger guys. Max would not get away with his passionate crashes from behind these days either.
Sam Fisher is probably my impression of who Simpkin will replace long term. Ferguson would at least have the muscles for the big boys and has some skill as well but it's a huge jump from Sandy rookie to AFL full back.
Im unsure if you have seen Fergo but muscles is what he hasnt got.
I am unsure what you are on about. I said he hasnt got muscles to play on the big guys so now I want him delisted. I actually reckon I am one of his biggest fans but that doesnt mean he has muscles that he hasnt got.gringo wrote:I haven't seen him play live but he looks big on telly. Must be an optical illusion. He looked skilful and solid which was what I thought was going to be his strength. Delist him.plugger66 wrote:gringo wrote:Max developed into a full back but played under Shanahan and then Penny and also at points had Voss etc. with him for the bigger guys. Max would not get away with his passionate crashes from behind these days either.
Sam Fisher is probably my impression of who Simpkin will replace long term. Ferguson would at least have the muscles for the big boys and has some skill as well but it's a huge jump from Sandy rookie to AFL full back.
Im unsure if you have seen Fergo but muscles is what he hasnt got.
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Sorry, I just wanted to Plugger you for onceplugger66 wrote:I am unsure what you are on about. I said he hasnt got muscles to play on the big guys so now I want him delisted. I actually reckon I am one of his biggest fans but that doesnt mean he has muscles that he hasnt got.gringo wrote:I haven't seen him play live but he looks big on telly. Must be an optical illusion. He looked skilful and solid which was what I thought was going to be his strength. Delist him.plugger66 wrote:gringo wrote:Max developed into a full back but played under Shanahan and then Penny and also at points had Voss etc. with him for the bigger guys. Max would not get away with his passionate crashes from behind these days either.
Sam Fisher is probably my impression of who Simpkin will replace long term. Ferguson would at least have the muscles for the big boys and has some skill as well but it's a huge jump from Sandy rookie to AFL full back.
Im unsure if you have seen Fergo but muscles is what he hasnt got.
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I loved the idea and thoughts from one of the posts discussing the likely replacements for Zac, and the comparison of Rhys Stanley with Fraser Gherig. The post mentioned that early on when Fraser joined West Coast, G was a backman and indeed played a fair bit at FB before he changed to the other end of the ground. Gtrain bulked up later on in his career and was perfect as a FF when he came to us, so the post also looked at the benefits to Rhys learning the art of being a FF, while his body grows. The same can be said for Simpkin or any other kid that Watters has faith in and decides that they have what it takes.
The other thing that balances out the relative risk regarding the inexperience of some of these guys that are being groomed to take over at FB, is the uncertainty that the change will bring to your direct opponent and to the opposition teams forwards and also the assistant coaches and the forward coaches planning on how to counter a certain opponent. The element of surprise and the uncertainty is going to be a distinct advantage for a certain amount of time, and if we can get enough wins under our belt, and if a player like Stanley or Simpkin gains a bit of confidence in the role, then he owns that position.
The other thing that balances out the relative risk regarding the inexperience of some of these guys that are being groomed to take over at FB, is the uncertainty that the change will bring to your direct opponent and to the opposition teams forwards and also the assistant coaches and the forward coaches planning on how to counter a certain opponent. The element of surprise and the uncertainty is going to be a distinct advantage for a certain amount of time, and if we can get enough wins under our belt, and if a player like Stanley or Simpkin gains a bit of confidence in the role, then he owns that position.
blake & dowler...blake & dowler...blake & dowler.
will be a great pick-up as a support tall floating cut-out full-back/back-pocket and is definitely on PELCHN'S radar.
blake is the only chance for a one-on-one body against the big, strong full-fwds ...say CLOKE. but even then he needs to improve in this area.
will be a great pick-up as a support tall floating cut-out full-back/back-pocket and is definitely on PELCHN'S radar.
blake is the only chance for a one-on-one body against the big, strong full-fwds ...say CLOKE. but even then he needs to improve in this area.
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I think you're being a bit harsh on him there. I don't think anyone is suggesting Blake will suddenly make AA at full back, but neither did Zac and we got by with him. I just don't see any other better options in front of us at this stage. Dowler may be, but that's a big maybe.
As for Blake's height and weight, he's been tall enough to play in the ruck and has filled in at FB before, so I don't see it as a problem. He may only weigh 90kg (which I would question), but lack of strength is not an issue with him, IMO.
As for Blake's height and weight, he's been tall enough to play in the ruck and has filled in at FB before, so I don't see it as a problem. He may only weigh 90kg (which I would question), but lack of strength is not an issue with him, IMO.
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Zac is a very average negating FB ..who averaged 3 kicks and 7 (and some of those were under the pump/ desperate get teammates into trouble- because I'm a crap player who can't think my way through trouble and rely on my own ability) handballs and relied on a lot of assistance .. let's not suddenly turn him into a superstar.
So if our development department can't find/develop an adequate replacement we are really stuffed and don't deserve any success.
Whoever replaces Zac does not have big shoes to fill - let's get real and past the dud.
So if our development department can't find/develop an adequate replacement we are really stuffed and don't deserve any success.
Whoever replaces Zac does not have big shoes to fill - let's get real and past the dud.
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Those figures for Blakey are taken from the Player List on the Saints site. That being the case they are probably the original figures from when he joined in 1990. I am under thye impression that he is now 191cm, same height as Simpkin, and he would be well into the mid 90 kgs.
They still show Stanley at 200cm, which he was at 17. He has been 202cm for a long while now.
They still show Stanley at 200cm, which he was at 17. He has been 202cm for a long while now.
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Good call, 37!?thirty-seven!? wrote:
I suspect we may grab a mature-aged player in one of the drafts to perhaps fill the void... Another good option could be Claremont forward/defender Beau Wilkes. He had a couple of seasons on the Eagles' rookie list, but has been in the WAFL for the past couple of years, playing under our very own McPhee. He had a great year this year as a swing man between FB and FF and was a pivotal part in their flag. There are a few clubs sniffing around, but at about 195cm and at a decent build, he could certainly be a viable option, assuming we could grab him for cheap. Also, he isn't too old either, only 24 or so.
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I hope Blake play his 200th and spends the rest of the year in the Magoos, being a great clubman and helping the young blokes. This is not a criticism of Jason, more a wish on my part that a young bloke steps up and takes his place.elphie wrote:blake will take the second tall defender..resting ruck, say
dowler will be rookied
to me the full-back role is between wilkes and dowler.
simpkin is another year to two- away with body strength
I agree about Simpkin, I don't think he's big enough for full back.
i agree. would be great to see a kid come through. blake can help the kids in the VFL.HitTheBoundary wrote:I hope Blake play his 200th and spends the rest of the year in the Magoos, being a great clubman and helping the young blokes. This is not a criticism of Jason, more a wish on my part that a young bloke steps up and takes his place.elphie wrote:blake will take the second tall defender..resting ruck, say
dowler will be rookied
to me the full-back role is between wilkes and dowler.
simpkin is another year to two- away with body strength
I agree about Simpkin, I don't think he's big enough for full back.
its time for simpkin winmar geary to all step up or GTFO
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Simpkin is the same height at Max (191).
Height is not the be all & end all... if he's got good positioning skills (that Zac struggled with), spoiling skills (which Zac did have) and can read the play well (which Zac also struggled with) then he'll do ok.
Wilkes & Blakey are the muscle... Simpkin the agile defender, with Chips & Gilbo there for support.
Wouldn't be surprised if they still add Dowler so that Wilkes can be an option up forward. Having both on the list is good planning IMO.
Height is not the be all & end all... if he's got good positioning skills (that Zac struggled with), spoiling skills (which Zac did have) and can read the play well (which Zac also struggled with) then he'll do ok.
Wilkes & Blakey are the muscle... Simpkin the agile defender, with Chips & Gilbo there for support.
Wouldn't be surprised if they still add Dowler so that Wilkes can be an option up forward. Having both on the list is good planning IMO.
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What about that bloke with the funny looking hair? He goes alright and will hopefully be back from injury pretty early on in the season. There was talk a while back that he was only a couple of weeks behind Lenny and Lenny is apparently a chance for R1.Animal Enclosure wrote:
Wilkes & Blakey are the muscle... Simpkin the agile defender, with Chips & Gilbo there for support.
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Why would they pick Blake up again to sit him at Sandy?? Its not going to happen, hes better than that.defacto wrote:i agree. would be great to see a kid come through. blake can help the kids in the VFL.HitTheBoundary wrote:I hope Blake play his 200th and spends the rest of the year in the Magoos, being a great clubman and helping the young blokes. This is not a criticism of Jason, more a wish on my part that a young bloke steps up and takes his place.elphie wrote:blake will take the second tall defender..resting ruck, say
dowler will be rookied
to me the full-back role is between wilkes and dowler.
simpkin is another year to two- away with body strength
I agree about Simpkin, I don't think he's big enough for full back.
its time for simpkin winmar geary to all step up or GTFO