Massive age gap in our list
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Massive age gap in our list
It's pretty obvious that our list has two real groups of players - the old ones and the young ones.
At the start of next season we'll have just 5 players in the middle range, between the ages of 22 and 25, two of them absolute rookies: Saad, McEvoy, Geary, Armitage, Milera. So it was very prudent of Pelchen to pick up the two new kids!
Here's how that compares to the last few years:
2012 - 5 players: Saad (0 games), McEvoy (53), Geary (52), Armitage (50), Milera (0)
2011 - 10 players: Walsh (0), Geary (44), Armitage (28), Eddy (23), Gamble (24), Gilbert (87), Gwilt (67), Polo (56), McQualter (84), Ray (125)
2010 - 12 players: Allen (4), Eddy (23), Miles (0), Smith J (27), Gilbert (61), Gwilt (41), McQualter (59), Ray (100), Pattison (61), Dawson (37), Clarke R (57), Goddard (137)
2009 - 14 players: Miles (0), Begley (29), Gilbert (39), Gwilt (26), McQualter (35), Ray (75), Dawson (14), Clarke R (41), Goddard (113), Maguire (99), Ball (122), Schneider (117), Gram (77), Fisher L (55)
2008 - 15 players: Attard (25), Clarke R (30), Goddard (90), Ferguson (10), Maguire (95), Ball (104), Schneider (98), Gram (52), Fisher L (46), Dal Santo (120), Jones (6), Dempster (54), Montagna (73), Clarke X (97), Gardiner C (51)
2007 - 14 players: Ferguson (8), Maguire (85), Ball (86), Gram (32), Fisher L (24), Dal Santo (98), Jones (0), Brooks (8), Montagna (52), Clarke X (79), Birss (51), Riewoldt (114), Koschitzke (78), Fisher S (51)
Taking the very successful 2009 as an example, a big fraction of our side was in this age range - all of Gilbert, McQualter, Ray, Dawson, Goddard, Ball, Schneider and Gram played most games; 8 of the best 22.
Since then, this age range has been dwindling with players failing to come through sufficiently, culminating in massive delistings this year of players around this range.
Looks like lean times down the track with this enormous hole in the list. Given this, I expect to see a couple more recycled or second-tier players drafted in that age range, just to give us some chance of balance.
At the start of next season we'll have just 5 players in the middle range, between the ages of 22 and 25, two of them absolute rookies: Saad, McEvoy, Geary, Armitage, Milera. So it was very prudent of Pelchen to pick up the two new kids!
Here's how that compares to the last few years:
2012 - 5 players: Saad (0 games), McEvoy (53), Geary (52), Armitage (50), Milera (0)
2011 - 10 players: Walsh (0), Geary (44), Armitage (28), Eddy (23), Gamble (24), Gilbert (87), Gwilt (67), Polo (56), McQualter (84), Ray (125)
2010 - 12 players: Allen (4), Eddy (23), Miles (0), Smith J (27), Gilbert (61), Gwilt (41), McQualter (59), Ray (100), Pattison (61), Dawson (37), Clarke R (57), Goddard (137)
2009 - 14 players: Miles (0), Begley (29), Gilbert (39), Gwilt (26), McQualter (35), Ray (75), Dawson (14), Clarke R (41), Goddard (113), Maguire (99), Ball (122), Schneider (117), Gram (77), Fisher L (55)
2008 - 15 players: Attard (25), Clarke R (30), Goddard (90), Ferguson (10), Maguire (95), Ball (104), Schneider (98), Gram (52), Fisher L (46), Dal Santo (120), Jones (6), Dempster (54), Montagna (73), Clarke X (97), Gardiner C (51)
2007 - 14 players: Ferguson (8), Maguire (85), Ball (86), Gram (32), Fisher L (24), Dal Santo (98), Jones (0), Brooks (8), Montagna (52), Clarke X (79), Birss (51), Riewoldt (114), Koschitzke (78), Fisher S (51)
Taking the very successful 2009 as an example, a big fraction of our side was in this age range - all of Gilbert, McQualter, Ray, Dawson, Goddard, Ball, Schneider and Gram played most games; 8 of the best 22.
Since then, this age range has been dwindling with players failing to come through sufficiently, culminating in massive delistings this year of players around this range.
Looks like lean times down the track with this enormous hole in the list. Given this, I expect to see a couple more recycled or second-tier players drafted in that age range, just to give us some chance of balance.
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Excellent analysis!
And where does it leave those posters who endlessly bitched and cursed on here that "GT had ruined our list" by 2006?
I always saw it as drivel and perhaps Lyon and those running the club agreed with me and thought "we'll show those idiots on SS what a ruined list really looks like!!"
And where does it leave those posters who endlessly bitched and cursed on here that "GT had ruined our list" by 2006?
I always saw it as drivel and perhaps Lyon and those running the club agreed with me and thought "we'll show those idiots on SS what a ruined list really looks like!!"
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Was that the Matthew Drain, John Peake recruiting era? Under WHAT circumstances did both these learned gentlemen leave the club? !!BigMart wrote:The recruiting and development from 2005-2009 resulted in that....
some would argue against it, but its pretty clear as the OP illustrates
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dunno, but a quick glance shows that their current list has 10 players who'll be between 22 and 25 at the start of next season:SainterK wrote:Think Geelong has a similar issue?
Tom Gillies (8 games), Dawson Simpson (3), Simon Hogan (22), Tom Hawkins (79), Joel Selwood (114), Travis Varcoe (100), Jonathan Simpkin (0), Trent West (20), Marcus Drum (22), Ryan Bathie (0)
so i guess probably not so much.
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I thought drum had retired?bergholt wrote:dunno, but a quick glance shows that their current list has 10 players who'll be between 22 and 25 at the start of next season:SainterK wrote:Think Geelong has a similar issue?
Tom Gillies (8 games), Dawson Simpson (3), Simon Hogan (22), Tom Hawkins (79), Joel Selwood (114), Travis Varcoe (100), Jonathan Simpkin (0), Trent West (20), Marcus Drum (22), Ryan Bathie (0)
so i guess probably not so much.
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Outstanding analysis.
One of the best posts in the post lyon era
I think it sums up why we need to hang on to cj and ray and dawson.
Also sums up and gives substance to what was wrong with the lyon era.
He had no eye for the future. It was 09 or bust for him really.
Also I think the boatd were well aware of this list profile and it explains why they hired pelchen to try alter the list profile before we fell off a cliff.
Pelchen is all about the churn. Get lots of picks and churn. If u get 30% strike rate u are going ok.
One of the best posts in the post lyon era
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I think it sums up why we need to hang on to cj and ray and dawson.
Also sums up and gives substance to what was wrong with the lyon era.
He had no eye for the future. It was 09 or bust for him really.
Also I think the boatd were well aware of this list profile and it explains why they hired pelchen to try alter the list profile before we fell off a cliff.
Pelchen is all about the churn. Get lots of picks and churn. If u get 30% strike rate u are going ok.
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Too simplistic explanation of Pelchen IMO.Con Gorozidis wrote:Outstanding analysis.
One of the best posts in the post lyon era![]()
I think it sums up why we need to hang on to cj and ray and dawson.
Also sums up and gives substance to what was wrong with the lyon era.
He had no eye for the future. It was 09 or bust for him really.
Also I think the boatd were well aware of this list profile and it explains why they hired pelchen to try alter the list profile before we fell off a cliff.
Pelchen is all about the churn. Get lots of picks and churn. If u get 30% strike rate u are going ok.
Hawthorn when they were 'bottoming out' did trade players away for draft picks.
But whilst they've been 'contending' they've been trading/drafting 'mature' players in to fill 'holes'
Guerra
Gibson
Burgoyne
Skipper
Bruce
all spring to mind over the past few years.
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Bevo for most of it...and Peake at the end of it.Eastern wrote:Was that the Matthew Drain, John Peake recruiting era? Under WHAT circumstances did both these learned gentlemen leave the club? !!BigMart wrote:The recruiting and development from 2005-2009 resulted in that....
some would argue against it, but its pretty clear as the OP illustrates
Last season was our best drafting of kids fora long time.
Trades in the Lyon era were IMO good value for talent gained relative to the picks used. Lovett is the most glaring stuff up.
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There is a big difference between trading required players and recycling delisted players
ie/ Bugoyne.....a gun player, who was traded for...and succeeded....as was Hale
skipper on the other hand was a recycled player....delisted....he lasted one season on their list and ended up in the VFL
their big win was the convincing out of retirement on the overweight Dew...who lasted two years, but one of those years was critical
ie/ Bugoyne.....a gun player, who was traded for...and succeeded....as was Hale
skipper on the other hand was a recycled player....delisted....he lasted one season on their list and ended up in the VFL
their big win was the convincing out of retirement on the overweight Dew...who lasted two years, but one of those years was critical