absolute bulls***. the club does not tell a manager something "unofficially" as soon as a club official says something to a manager its "official". its just whether or not the final decision has been made. for instance the club may be in discussions with the player manager and may say at this stage we are not looking to renew the contract of your player but we are still in review and this may change. although its unlikely.Ross who? wrote:Yes, UNOFFICIALLY but the managers are more loyal to the players and can't keep secrets! See above as to why they can't be told Officiallyausfatcat wrote:So your saying player DO know?
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I think you should read your own post again for the answer as to why it is not OFFICIAL.defacto wrote:absolute bulls***. the club does not tell a manager something "unofficially" as soon as a club official says something to a manager its "official". its just whether or not the final decision has been made. for instance the club may be in discussions with the player manager and may say at this stage we are not looking to renew the contract of your player but we are still in review and this may change. although its unlikely.Ross who? wrote:Yes, UNOFFICIALLY but the managers are more loyal to the players and can't keep secrets! See above as to why they can't be told Officiallyausfatcat wrote:So your saying player DO know?
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They can't make it OFFICIAL until they have Zac, Peake, Ray, Etc. all signed, because if they walk, then one of the "delisted" guys gets another shot at it.
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you realise that doesn't make any sense, right?Ross who? wrote:I think you should read your own post again for the answer as to why it is not OFFICIAL.![]()
They can't make it OFFICIAL until they have Zac, Peake, Ray, Etc. all signed, because if they walk, then one of the "delisted" guys gets another shot at it.
the guys are definitely delisted unless they're not, in which case they're still on the list. so what you mean is they're in the gun but not actually delisted.
any supporter knew exactly that two weeks ago at the end of the trade period. so this whole thread hasn't actually added anything to anything.
I know that at least 2 of the posted "delisteds"(that I have had confirmed to me by several players who were together) have already packed up their houses to move back home. (Not intending on staying in Melbourne) I am pretty sure they KNOW they are not going to play for the Saints againbergholt wrote:you realise that doesn't make any sense, right?Ross who? wrote:I think you should read your own post again for the answer as to why it is not OFFICIAL.![]()
They can't make it OFFICIAL until they have Zac, Peake, Ray, Etc. all signed, because if they walk, then one of the "delisted" guys gets another shot at it.
the guys are definitely delisted unless they're not, in which case they're still on the list. so what you mean is they're in the gun but not actually delisted.
any supporter knew exactly that two weeks ago at the end of the trade period. so this whole thread hasn't actually added anything to anything.
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I find it hard to believe from a list perspective all the KPF that are going myself. But apparently it is true
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Should be announced Tomorrow after lunch following the uncontracted/"delisted" players meeting in the morning anyway.
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Are you sure Gamble is one to be delisted? Coz the Age has him as one of the players likely to stay on for a pay cut next year.
Senior players Zac Dawson, Brett Peake, Raph Clarke, Farren Ray, Ryan Gamble and Dean Polo are all out of contract and likely to take an enforced pay cut next year if they want to stay with the Saints.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... z1bxqIne5M
YepOld Mate wrote:Are you sure Gamble is one to be delisted? Coz the Age has him as one of the players likely to stay on for a pay cut next year.
Senior players Zac Dawson, Brett Peake, Raph Clarke, Farren Ray, Ryan Gamble and Dean Polo are all out of contract and likely to take an enforced pay cut next year if they want to stay with the Saints.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... z1bxqIne5M
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Don't forget SipossRichter wrote:So by the looks of it.....
First choice team
Gwilt Dawson Geary
Gilbert Fisher Gram
Montagna Dal Santo Goddard
Peake Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Koschitzke Saad
McEvoy Hayes Steven
Int. Jones Armitage Dempster Sub Ray
Back-up ruck
Blake, Stanley
Back-up forwards
Stanley, Milera, Sipposs
Back-up mids
Polo, Winmar, Cripps, Ledger, Crocker
Back-up defenders
Simpkin, Clarke
Also, not sure why people want to keep Gamble?
Polo was much better than Gamble the whole year.
I'd rather play Siposs than Gamble.
The time Gamble kicked 4 goals or whatever it was in the NAB cup were all just goals over the top of his opponent.
I'm more disappointed that he just didn't quite have it at AFL level as a midfielder. Often in the best at VFL level, but just didn't find the ball enough at the higher level to make it. A shame because he is a good kick of the football.JohnE wrote:+1skfc17 wrote:Bit random i know.but I'm disappointed we delisted mini
Oh well, he played a large part in our 2009 campaign in particular and I wish him all the best for the future.
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I see Saad as being ahead of Arryn. Older, more physically developed and had a better season than Arryn last year. A bloke who kicked 50-odd goals as a small forward in the VFL has to be knocking on the door of AFL action, whilst I see 2012 as a further development year for Arryn, rather than a year when he is likely to cement a regular starting spot.lefty wrote:Don't forget SipossRichter wrote:So by the looks of it.....
First choice team
Gwilt Dawson Geary
Gilbert Fisher Gram
Montagna Dal Santo Goddard
Peake Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Koschitzke Saad
McEvoy Hayes Steven
Int. Jones Armitage Dempster Sub Ray
Back-up ruck
Blake, Stanley
Back-up forwards
Stanley, Milera, Sipposs
Back-up mids
Polo, Winmar, Cripps, Ledger, Crocker
Back-up defenders
Simpkin, Clarke
Also, not sure why people want to keep Gamble?
Polo was much better than Gamble the whole year.
I'd rather play Siposs than Gamble.
The time Gamble kicked 4 goals or whatever it was in the NAB cup were all just goals over the top of his opponent.
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Vastly different players in my book.Richter wrote:I see Saad as being ahead of Arryn. Older, more physically developed and had a better season than Arryn last year. A bloke who kicked 50-odd goals as a small forward in the VFL has to be knocking on the door of AFL action, whilst I see 2012 as a further development year for Arryn, rather than a year when he is likely to cement a regular starting spot.lefty wrote:Don't forget SipossRichter wrote:So by the looks of it.....
First choice team
Gwilt Dawson Geary
Gilbert Fisher Gram
Montagna Dal Santo Goddard
Peake Riewoldt Schneider
Milne Koschitzke Saad
McEvoy Hayes Steven
Int. Jones Armitage Dempster Sub Ray
Back-up ruck
Blake, Stanley
Back-up forwards
Stanley, Milera, Sipposs
Back-up mids
Polo, Winmar, Cripps, Ledger, Crocker
Back-up defenders
Simpkin, Clarke
Also, not sure why people want to keep Gamble?
Polo was much better than Gamble the whole year.
I'd rather play Siposs than Gamble.
The time Gamble kicked 4 goals or whatever it was in the NAB cup were all just goals over the top of his opponent.
Sippo is not the quick crumbing forward that Saad is.
Saad is not the leading marking target that Sippo is.
I hope we seem them both consistently in the same forward line in 2012.
I wasn't stating who was in the starting 22, I was just stating you forgot Arryn on that list of players you stated.Richter wrote: I see Saad as being ahead of Arryn. Older, more physically developed and had a better season than Arryn last year. A bloke who kicked 50-odd goals as a small forward in the VFL has to be knocking on the door of AFL action, whilst I see 2012 as a further development year for Arryn, rather than a year when he is likely to cement a regular starting spot.
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He was named as a "Back up forward" on the list. How many small crumbing forwards do we need? I hope Sippa develops quicker because we do lack a taller forward. We can not only rely on Rooey again next year.lefty wrote:I wasn't stating who was in the starting 22, I was just stating you forgot Arryn on that list of players you stated.Richter wrote: I see Saad as being ahead of Arryn. Older, more physically developed and had a better season than Arryn last year. A bloke who kicked 50-odd goals as a small forward in the VFL has to be knocking on the door of AFL action, whilst I see 2012 as a further development year for Arryn, rather than a year when he is likely to cement a regular starting spot.