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If no-one else took him and we were able to get him for the minimum wage I would have no problem at all if we took him. I mean what if Rhys doesn't come on and Kosi goes down with another injury? Who the hell comes in to replace him now that Tommy has gone?
At least Setanta kicks goals (especially against us) and is also 199cm, or whatever, so can pinch hit in the ruck. He's far, far from perfect, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't add to our list if we're still going for a premiership, as all evidence suggests we are.
At Carlton he was often used as the main target up forward, getting the best opponent, but here he would have the luxury of the 2nd or third best, as Roo and or Kosi would likely attract the best ones.
At least Setanta kicks goals (especially against us) and is also 199cm, or whatever, so can pinch hit in the ruck. He's far, far from perfect, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't add to our list if we're still going for a premiership, as all evidence suggests we are.
At Carlton he was often used as the main target up forward, getting the best opponent, but here he would have the luxury of the 2nd or third best, as Roo and or Kosi would likely attract the best ones.
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He may be worth a look "if Dawson goes." He is a known quantity and has bulk and experience for fullback. Who else do we have - Blake ??
Don't think that any of the younger Saints would be able to step in for the "year." Setanta just may be worrth having on the list for a year, while we blood others.
Don't think that any of the younger Saints would be able to step in for the "year." Setanta just may be worrth having on the list for a year, while we blood others.
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Isnt this the type of player people seem to now have a go at RL about. If we listened to some here we would be a side of delisted players. Time to develop our own. I am sure at some stage we may be able to use him just as we did with Gamble, Polo, Gardiner, Clarke and so on.
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Are you implying that no-one in the history of the AFL/VFL, who has been let go by a "good" side, has gone on to play a valuable role at another club, or that none will in the future?mr six o'clock wrote:Carlton are a good side ready to take the next step , so if their getting rid of him why would we want to pick him up ?
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So you don't think it's wise to have someone experienced and strong and mature as back-up in a side that is supposedly trying to contend for a premiership?plugger66 wrote:Isnt this the type of player people seem to now have a go at RL about. If we listened to some here we would be a side of delisted players. Time to develop our own. I am sure at some stage we may be able to sue him just as we did with Gamble, Polo, Gardiner, Clarke and so on.
I'm all for developing the likes of Rhys, but what if what happened to Hawthorn this year (with so many of their "talls" going down) happened to us next year and we were in flag contention? Do you think it's wise to have an in-experienced, "developing tall" in a finals team, when the whips are cracking? It's proved hard enough for Roo and Kosi to take marks in the biggest finals.
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So you were obviously happy with the recruitment of Matthew Clarke, Pattison, Charlie Gardiner, Gamble and so one. What happens if a couple of mids go down? We better get a delisted mid as well afterall mids are now the most important position on the ground. i hope you arent a person who complained about all the GOPS RL recruited because you now what to do the same just incase.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:So you don't think it's wise to have someone experienced and strong and mature as back-up in a side that is supposedly trying to contend for a premiership?plugger66 wrote:Isnt this the type of player people seem to now have a go at RL about. If we listened to some here we would be a side of delisted players. Time to develop our own. I am sure at some stage we may be able to sue him just as we did with Gamble, Polo, Gardiner, Clarke and so on.
I'm all for developing the likes of Rhys, but what if what happened to Hawthorn this year (with so many of their "talls" going down) happened to us next year and we were in flag contention? Do you think it's wise to have an in-experienced, "developing tall" in a finals team, when the whips are cracking? It's proved hard enough for Roo and Kosi to take marks in the biggest finals.
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Fev 1 year at best, good long term prospect, yeah right, O'Halpin 2-3 year opportunity.
Fev, his airfare for his excess baggage would be 3 times the price of his ticket.
Wouldn't touch Fev very little upside in geting a 1 season player.
with the potential issues he has.
Fev, his airfare for his excess baggage would be 3 times the price of his ticket.
Wouldn't touch Fev very little upside in geting a 1 season player.
with the potential issues he has.
Except for the sanity nothing much has been lost.
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Avoiding the question again, as per usual, I see. It is an answer in itself, though, of course.plugger66 wrote:So you were obviously happy with the recruitment of Matthew Clarke, Pattison, Charlie Gardiner, Gamble and so one. What happens if a couple of mids go down? We better get a delisted mid as well afterall mids are now the most important position on the ground. i hope you arent a person who complained about all the GOPS RL recruited because you now what to do the same just incase.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:So you don't think it's wise to have someone experienced and strong and mature as back-up in a side that is supposedly trying to contend for a premiership?plugger66 wrote:Isnt this the type of player people seem to now have a go at RL about. If we listened to some here we would be a side of delisted players. Time to develop our own. I am sure at some stage we may be able to sue him just as we did with Gamble, Polo, Gardiner, Clarke and so on.
I'm all for developing the likes of Rhys, but what if what happened to Hawthorn this year (with so many of their "talls" going down) happened to us next year and we were in flag contention? Do you think it's wise to have an in-experienced, "developing tall" in a finals team, when the whips are cracking? It's proved hard enough for Roo and Kosi to take marks in the biggest finals.
And you need not stress, because I wasn't one of those you spoke about at all. I had no real problem with them (or Polo, Steven King) being picked up with pick 90-odd. A position where it was unlikely that we'd get anyone under 20 of any great quality. If we were unable to identify someone from another club that would be of good value to us, with pick 90-odd, I don't have high hopes that we would have been able to pluck someone from an obscure league, or whatever, with those picks.
As for your question, if we are serious about aiming for a flag again, I wouldn't have any great problem with getting someone strong and mature as midfield back-up, for the same reasons I outlined for getting Setanta, if we are as lacking in running back-ups as we are for "talls" back-ups. But I don't believe we are. When doing our possible side for 2012 recently, I remember having a few "mids" that I wasn't able to find a position for, so I think we have decent depth there (if we manage to re-sign them all), especially now that we've gotten two relatively "ready-made's" in Saad and Milera and with Ledger and Cripps having another pre-season under them and being a year older.
As I've said, though, I don't see much tall depth there, if say Roo and Kosi went down, on the eve of the finals.
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Then whats happens is you have these experienced players on your list and the club is going ok so you play them ahead of the kids because it is less risk. The kids again dont get a game but we win enough to justify playing the GOPS but as the season comes to end we fall short again. And the kids are again a year behind in their development.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:Avoiding the question again, as per usual, I see. It is an answer in itself, though, of course.plugger66 wrote:So you were obviously happy with the recruitment of Matthew Clarke, Pattison, Charlie Gardiner, Gamble and so one. What happens if a couple of mids go down? We better get a delisted mid as well afterall mids are now the most important position on the ground. i hope you arent a person who complained about all the GOPS RL recruited because you now what to do the same just incase.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:So you don't think it's wise to have someone experienced and strong and mature as back-up in a side that is supposedly trying to contend for a premiership?plugger66 wrote:Isnt this the type of player people seem to now have a go at RL about. If we listened to some here we would be a side of delisted players. Time to develop our own. I am sure at some stage we may be able to sue him just as we did with Gamble, Polo, Gardiner, Clarke and so on.
I'm all for developing the likes of Rhys, but what if what happened to Hawthorn this year (with so many of their "talls" going down) happened to us next year and we were in flag contention? Do you think it's wise to have an in-experienced, "developing tall" in a finals team, when the whips are cracking? It's proved hard enough for Roo and Kosi to take marks in the biggest finals.
And you need not stress, because I wasn't one of those you spoke about at all. I had no real problem with them (or Polo, Steven King) being picked up with pick 90-odd. A position where it was unlikely that we'd get anyone under 20 of any great quality. If we were unable to identify someone from another club that would be of good value to us, with pick 90-odd, I don't have high hopes that we would have been able to pluck someone from an obscure league, or whatever, with those picks.
As for your question, if we are serious about aiming for a flag again, I wouldn't have any great problem with getting someone strong and mature as midfield back-up, for the same reasons I outlined for getting Setanta, if we are as lacking in running back-ups as we are for "talls" back-ups. But I don't believe we are. When doing our possible side for 2012 recently, I remember having a few "mids" that I wasn't able to find a position for, so I think we have decent depth there (if we manage to re-sign them all), especially now that we've gotten two relatively "ready-made's" in Saad and Milera. As I've said, though, I don't see much tall depth there if say Roo and Kosi went down on the eve of the finals.
Or you can go the other way. Take a risk you dont get many injuries but when you do you play the younger player so gets experience. We still go ok because of our star players but will probably fall short but we at least got games into these guys.
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plugger the big difference you are missingplugger66 wrote:
Then whats happens is you have these experienced players on your list and the club is going ok so you play them ahead of the kids because it is less risk. The kids again dont get a game but we win enough to justify playing the GOPS but as the season comes to end we fall short again. And the kids are again a year behind in their development.
Or you can go the other way. Take a risk you dont get many injuries but when you do you play the younger player so gets experience. We still go ok because of our star players but will probably fall short but we at least got games into these guys.
RL had this four year apprenticeship thing and didnt promote on merit
SW has stated on record this will change
oh and YES Setanta has played defence
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But if experienced players are on your list it is natural to play them ahead of the young guys unless you are rebuilding. Better to not have these GOPS on the list so you arent given the option. Why do you want him anyway? We have back up.sunsaint wrote:plugger the big difference you are missingplugger66 wrote:
Then whats happens is you have these experienced players on your list and the club is going ok so you play them ahead of the kids because it is less risk. The kids again dont get a game but we win enough to justify playing the GOPS but as the season comes to end we fall short again. And the kids are again a year behind in their development.
Or you can go the other way. Take a risk you dont get many injuries but when you do you play the younger player so gets experience. We still go ok because of our star players but will probably fall short but we at least got games into these guys.
RL had this four year apprenticeship thing and didnt promote on merit
SW has stated on record this will change
oh and YES Setanta has played defence