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Thinline wrote:The most appallingly overrated messiah-ed plod of a player ever left for dough having had opportunity promised.
It's as if some of you think he was some kind of golden egg laying goose.
He was a marginally improving reserves plodder who had no natural place in our 22 barring an obscene run of injuries.
Why give such a s***?
Probably the thing that so many are most pissed off about is not so much the fact that Tommy left, but the fact that yet another who the club seemingly wanted to stay, has walked out the door. Just a couple of weeks after the one we wanted to coach us for the next 4 years left. This sort of s*** is supposed to happen to teams that are a "rabble" and on the bottom of the ladder, or in less than ideal locations. We've just played in 4 finals series in a row, are supposedly aiming to contend again next year and are in the centre of the Aussie Rules universe.
I'm not sure that last bit is all that relevant to a money hungry coach and an Irish backpacker
Dr Spaceman wrote:
I'm not sure that last bit is all that relevant to a money hungry coach and an Irish backpacker
I don't have a problem with Tommy leaving for more money, as he's from a country with a very weak economy and this is his big chance to make some good money, doing something enjoyable and exciting and to help set himself up for life. He may also be hoping to go back to Ireland at some point, to play Gaelic footy (which is unpaid, or very lowly paid, is it not), so he needs to maximise his earning opportunities while he can. We had to know this was always a possibility and had to be prepared for it. It seems we certainly were not.
I imagine he agreed to come out here for a really good opportunity to play senior AFL footy and we had two years in which to play him, but chose not to, so we had our chance. The fact that we've practically begged him to stay suggests we took him for granted and just assumed he would want to stay. As the saying goes, "assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups".
ace wrote:In the European soccer scene a "required player" is never allowed to come out of contract.
Players are worth more than draft picks in Europe - they are worth millions to their clubs.
How is it that they never come out of contract?
Clubs make PROFESSIONAL assessments of players future careers.
Players who are "required", are not required for one year they are required into the future.
Required players are offered long term contracts.
These contracts never wind down to less than one year to go.
Required players are offered contract extensions before one more year to go occurs.
Fail to re-sign and the player is traded, no ifs, no buts, no sympathy.
The player never comes out of contract and walks for nothing.
How would it work at the Saints.
Idiots who offer multiple year contracts to players who are not going to make it are all sacked.
Those required, get long contracts and must extend at least one trade period before the contract runs out.
Fail to re-sign, the player gets put on the market (with 13 months still on his contract) at trade week, and traded for the best deal.
The club dictates to where.
The player has to take the trade the club makes or stand out of footy for two years.
In the case of Walsh the decision on whether he was required should have been made 15 months ago.
If he was not required then he would be cut then or traded.
If he failed to re-sign an extension, he would have been traded to the best offer LAST year.
But oh no, the wankers at St Kilda could not make a decision, they wanted to wait and see.
That left Walsh's management with the opportunity to also see.
Walsh's managers were then able to say to St Kilda, trade only to Sydney or he does a Ball.
Competent managers make decisons at the time they need to be made, not later when it is convenient and they have every final detail they would like to have.
St Kilda swarms with incompetent management.
That sounds like a far better way to go about things than the amateurish way we have been. You should seriously email that suggestion to the club (without the last line!) as it seems they could do with all the help they can get.
Dr Spaceman wrote:
I'm not sure that last bit is all that relevant to a money hungry coach and an Irish backpacker
I don't have a problem with Tommy leaving for more money, as he's from a country with a very weak economy and this is his big chance to make some good money, doing something enjoyable and exciting and to help set himself up for life. He may also be hoping to go back to Ireland at some point, to play Gaelic footy (which is unpaid, or very lowly paid, is it not), so he needs to maximise his earning opportunities while he can. We had to know this was always a possibility and had to be prepared for it. It seems we certainly were not.
I imagine he agreed to come out here for a really good opportunity to play senior AFL footy and we had two years in which to play him, but chose not to, so we had our chance. The fact that we've practically begged him to stay suggests we took him for granted and just assumed he would want to stay. As the saying goes, "assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups".
I'm not blaming Tommy at all.
As the article on the AFL website today quoted:
"As soon as I met John and heard what the Swans wanted me to do, I knew it was too good an opportunity to miss. I just want to play footy, that's what I came over here for".
I don't think Jacko is ready to settle down just yet. 18yo Aussie Rules player in Melbourne probably doesn't lack female companionship! Maybe the brother / sister dynamic may change as he's moving to his own flat soon.
Dr Spaceman wrote:
I'm not sure that last bit is all that relevant to a money hungry coach and an Irish backpacker
I don't have a problem with Tommy leaving for more money, as he's from a country with a very weak economy and this is his big chance to make some good money, doing something enjoyable and exciting and to help set himself up for life. He may also be hoping to go back to Ireland at some point, to play Gaelic footy (which is unpaid, or very lowly paid, is it not), so he needs to maximise his earning opportunities while he can. We had to know this was always a possibility and had to be prepared for it. It seems we certainly were not.
I imagine he agreed to come out here for a really good opportunity to play senior AFL footy and we had two years in which to play him, but chose not to, so we had our chance. The fact that we've practically begged him to stay suggests we took him for granted and just assumed he would want to stay. As the saying goes, "assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups".
I'm not blaming Tommy at all.
As the article on the AFL website today quoted:
"As soon as I met John and heard what the Swans wanted me to do, I knew it was too good an opportunity to miss. I just want to play footy, that's what I came over here for".
Not hard to understand really
St K promised him the same thing.
Sydney could pay him more.
Kinda simple isn't it.
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
Dr Spaceman wrote:
I'm not sure that last bit is all that relevant to a money hungry coach and an Irish backpacker  8-)
I don't have a problem with Tommy leaving for more money, as he's from a country with a very weak economy and this is his big chance to make some good money, doing something enjoyable and exciting and to help set himself up for life. He may also be hoping to go back to Ireland at some point, to play Gaelic footy (which is unpaid, or very lowly paid, is it not), so he needs to maximise his earning opportunities while he can. We had to know this was always a possibility and had to be prepared for it. It seems we certainly were not.
I imagine he agreed to come out here for a really good opportunity to play senior AFL footy and we had two years in which to play him, but chose not to, so we had our chance. The fact that we've practically begged him to stay suggests we took him for granted and just assumed he would want to stay. As the saying goes, "assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups".
I'm not blaming Tommy at all.Â
As the article on the AFL website today quoted:
"As soon as I met John and heard what the Swans wanted me to do, I knew it was too good an opportunity to miss. I just want to play footy, that's what I came over here for".
Not hard to understand really  :(
St K promised him the same thing.
Sydney could pay him more.
Kinda simple isn't it.
Unfortunately (or not depending on how you rate him) it was probably a case of a little too little, a little too late.
