StK finished 7th in Brownlow - (special congrats to Port!)

[Johnny Member]

I agree that too much emphasis is placed on the Brownlow. It doesn't mean what some take it to mean - that the winner is the premier player in the competition. It's not a meaningless award either though.

Personally, I think it's meaningless.

[Rosco]

meh, the mere concept of best AND fairest (or fairest AND best) has always confused me.

the way it is run is that the winner is the BEST player who hasn't been unfair (as defined by not being found guilty of 100+ MRP points)? how is that a measure of the FAIREST? it's just a crude measure of whether you have been unfair that year.

who is the best player in the comp? who is the fairest? it would be rare for this to be same player (except R Harvey in 1998 )

i don't want the system to change, it is what it is (umpire voted award), but rename it to be an award for the FAIR and BEST player.

[Moods]

I agree that too much emphasis is placed on the Brownlow. It doesn't mean what some take it to mean - that the winner is the premier player in the competition. It's not a meaningless award either though.

Personally, I think it's meaningless.

So you obviously think the only award that actually means something is the B&F and the coaches award? All other media awards are meaningless?

If not could you explain which awards you believe we're entitled to belive have some meaning?

[Johnny Member]

I agree that too much emphasis is placed on the Brownlow. It doesn't mean what some take it to mean - that the winner is the premier player in the competition. It's not a meaningless award either though.

Personally, I think it's meaningless.

So you obviously think the only award that actually means something is the B&F and the coaches award? All other media awards are meaningless?

If not could you explain which awards you believe we're entitled to belive have some meaning?

I don't really think any individual award outside of a club's B&F means anything.

I mean take some of Ross Lyon's 'role players'. Without them, our team would not have made 2 Grand Finals - yet I'd highly doubt these guys' individual performances were noticed by anyone other than his teammates and his coaches.

I'm not saying they should be recognised, I'm just saying that it's irrelevant what the umpires, or pretty much anyone outside the inne sanctum of the club think.


The only thing more ridiculous than the Brownlow, is the Norm Smith! Have a look at the voting for that!


Especially in this day and age, where footy is such a team game more than ever, these individual awards are meaningless.


Bus as I said, it's more the reaction to the winner that baffles me. Once you're a Brownlow Medallist, you're suddenly a better player because of it??

Strange I reckon.

[Johnny Member]

Straight after the game, if you asked 100 'experts', the 3 umpires individually, and 100 people from the crowd, and the coaches, and every player on the ground who were the best 3 players - I wouldn't be surprised if you got 100 different combinations!

Now do that for every match, over 24 rounds!

Then see how many people would have the Brownlow Medal awarded to someone totally different.

So it's all a matter of opinion. And I'd doubt that each umpire agrees anyway. Apparently the 'senior umpire' makes the call in the end.


But the way people respond to someone becoming a Brownlow Medallist, is as if the umpires opinion is actually correct. It's official that that player was best on ground, and official that that player was the best and the fairest player in the competition.

It's actually quite laughable when you think about it.

[meher baba]

Credibility of the Brownlow Medal

Players who failed to win one include: Michael Tuck, Leigh Matthews, Nathan Buckley, Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett Snr

Players who have won one include: Shane Woewodin

[stevie]

I always look at the different winners over the years and sometimes feel fir the anomaly winners

Guys like Liberatore, woewodin, arguably cooney and bartel, who are good players but not great medalists ala' say, Harves, Dempsey, greig, you know, the sort of classic winners.

Does that make sense?

[stevie]

Credibility of the Brownlow Medal

Players who failed to win one include: Michael Tuck, Leigh Matthews, Nathan Buckley, Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett Snr

Players who have won one include: Shane Woewodin

Um, Buckley won in 2003

[meher baba]

Credibility of the Brownlow Medal

Players who failed to win one include: Michael Tuck, Leigh Matthews, Nathan Buckley, Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett Snr

Players who have won one include: Shane Woewodin

Um, Buckley won in 2003

Oops, I'd forgotten that: I was going from memory and should have looked it up. My bad.

[Enrico_Misso]

Players who have won one include: Shane Woewodin

But against that Brian Wilson was a worthy winner.

[mr six o'clock]

Interesting statistics.

The only real inconsistency is Geelong finishing 5th.

No ablett !
they probably lost 10 votes overall with giblet no longer there . those extra votes would have pushed them higher.