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Or even our current skipper
Who has led us to two grand finals, has been all australian captain, won 5 best and fairests, has been a top 5 player in the afl for nearly a decade????
Is clearly our best player..
Perhaps he will do...
Thats right, he had a down year....and our memories are only capable of 12 months
Who has led us to two grand finals, has been all australian captain, won 5 best and fairests, has been a top 5 player in the afl for nearly a decade????
Is clearly our best player..
Perhaps he will do...
Thats right, he had a down year....and our memories are only capable of 12 months
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But if Goddard and Dal went to GWS we would get compensation picks that we could use whenever we wanted to. The picks don't come from GWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!noob wrote:You can't get two top 10 picks for both? Only GWS can do that.. I don't think they are prepared to give up 4 of their 5 top 10 picks for goddard and dal santo... even getting two picks for one of them is highly unlikely. Its never going to happen.
you only get compensation picks if GWS signs them as uncontracted players - and they can only sign 1 per club as far as i know (i think there was something about them signing additional players if the player and club both agree to it, but why on earth would they?). and then you are at the mercy of the AFL to decide on the compensation. you'd be better off trading (IF YOU WERE MAD ENOUGH TO WANT TO TRADE EITHER OF THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE).
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I think the question we all need to ask is will Dal and Goddard still be around to play in St Kilda's next premiership? If the answer is yes, then they should not be traded. If the answer is no, then trading them should be at least looked at.
I believe that if we could get 2 top 10 draft picks for Dal and the same for Goddard, we should take it. Dal will be 28 years old when next season starts. Goddard will be 27 just after next season starts.
By the time St Kilda rebuilds and is ready to challenge again, these 2 players (champions) may have already retired.
I believe that if we could get 2 top 10 draft picks for Dal and the same for Goddard, we should take it. Dal will be 28 years old when next season starts. Goddard will be 27 just after next season starts.
By the time St Kilda rebuilds and is ready to challenge again, these 2 players (champions) may have already retired.
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and if the answer is yes then the debate stops now- and given all indications coming from those players and other club leaders then their belief is that the era is not at an endEnd Of An Era wrote:I think the question we all need to ask is will Dal and Goddard still be around to play in St Kilda's next premiership? If the answer is yes, then they should not be traded. If the answer is no, then trading them should be at least looked at.
has anyone pointed out yet that Top draft picks next year are still likely to be around pick 15 and the depth not that deep- not everyone can get that covetec Pick 4 that people are after
why should we not use their services for atleast another year - or two or three
many object to the ' bad culture' notion being thrown about around the name St Kilda- doubting our players and to me this comes across as that ; but surely sticking by OUR champions should be one step in showing that it is not a 'get out at all cost place".
they want to be there and I for one want them to stay .......Build around them not to spite them.
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be worth at least two slightly used frangas...imhfo...MCG-Unit wrote:Wish they would trade youEnd Of An Era wrote:Would Pelchen look at trading Goddard and Dal in order to rebuild the list. Imagine if we got 2 top 10 picks for both.
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Why the hell do some want to trade our best footballers, still with years on their side for unproven 18 year olds from an under age competition?
We need our best footballers at St Kilda so we can build a team around them - and, as the voting last night evidenced, we want our best footballers in good physical shape and in good form because they were not in 2011.
Others mentioned for trade, such as Gilbert, should also be retained as the building blocks for the progression of the 19/21 year olds on our list who have had little exposure to date - and where we have to find out if they have the ability to progress as a matter of urgency.
It is at the bottom end of your list that you cut and cull - not the top end.
Unless you can get an exceptional "deal" on a player well into the twilight of their career (over 30 years of age) because the likes of the Suns and GWS require short term experienced players with a profile.
We need our best footballers at St Kilda so we can build a team around them - and, as the voting last night evidenced, we want our best footballers in good physical shape and in good form because they were not in 2011.
Others mentioned for trade, such as Gilbert, should also be retained as the building blocks for the progression of the 19/21 year olds on our list who have had little exposure to date - and where we have to find out if they have the ability to progress as a matter of urgency.
It is at the bottom end of your list that you cut and cull - not the top end.
Unless you can get an exceptional "deal" on a player well into the twilight of their career (over 30 years of age) because the likes of the Suns and GWS require short term experienced players with a profile.
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So we can have our best shot at winning the flag the next time we are a contender. If you think we can be a contender again before Dal and BJ retire then keep them. However I reckon Dal and BJ will be long retired before we challenge again. That being the case, we should trade both of them now while they still have currency. Imagine what we could do with 4 top 10 picks!!! Not to mention with those 2 gone, players like Winmar, Sippos and Cripps and the other youngsters would be forced to step up rather than just be languishing in the reserves.To the top wrote:Why the hell do some want to trade our best footballers, still with years on their side for unproven 18 year olds from an under age competition?
We need our best footballers at St Kilda so we can build a team around them - and, as the voting last night evidenced, we want our best footballers in good physical shape and in good form because they were not in 2011.
Others mentioned for trade, such as Gilbert, should also be retained as the building blocks for the progression of the 19/21 year olds on our list who have had little exposure to date - and where we have to find out if they have the ability to progress as a matter of urgency.
It is at the bottom end of your list that you cut and cull - not the top end.
Unless you can get an exceptional "deal" on a player well into the twilight of their career (over 30 years of age) because the likes of the Suns and GWS require short term experienced players with a profile.
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What's all this "we" stuffEnd Of An Era wrote:So we can have our best shot at winning the flag the next time we are a contender. If you think we can be a contender again before Dal and BJ retire then keep them. However I reckon Dal and BJ will be long retired before we challenge again. That being the case, we should trade both of them now while they still have currency. Imagine what we could do with 4 top 10 picks!!! Not to mention with those 2 gone, players like Winmar, Sippos and Cripps and the other youngsters would be forced to step up rather than just be languishing in the reserves.To the top wrote:Why the hell do some want to trade our best footballers, still with years on their side for unproven 18 year olds from an under age competition?
We need our best footballers at St Kilda so we can build a team around them - and, as the voting last night evidenced, we want our best footballers in good physical shape and in good form because they were not in 2011.
Others mentioned for trade, such as Gilbert, should also be retained as the building blocks for the progression of the 19/21 year olds on our list who have had little exposure to date - and where we have to find out if they have the ability to progress as a matter of urgency.
It is at the bottom end of your list that you cut and cull - not the top end.
Unless you can get an exceptional "deal" on a player well into the twilight of their career (over 30 years of age) because the likes of the Suns and GWS require short term experienced players with a profile.
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drop dead you sad person.End Of An Era wrote:So we can have our best shot at winning the flag the next time we are a contender. If you think we can be a contender again before Dal and BJ retire then keep them. However I reckon Dal and BJ will be long retired before we challenge again. That being the case, we should trade both of them now while they still have currency. Imagine what we could do with 4 top 10 picks!!! Not to mention with those 2 gone, players like Winmar, Sippos and Cripps and the other youngsters would be forced to step up rather than just be languishing in the reserves.To the top wrote:Why the hell do some want to trade our best footballers, still with years on their side for unproven 18 year olds from an under age competition?
We need our best footballers at St Kilda so we can build a team around them - and, as the voting last night evidenced, we want our best footballers in good physical shape and in good form because they were not in 2011.
Others mentioned for trade, such as Gilbert, should also be retained as the building blocks for the progression of the 19/21 year olds on our list who have had little exposure to date - and where we have to find out if they have the ability to progress as a matter of urgency.
It is at the bottom end of your list that you cut and cull - not the top end.
Unless you can get an exceptional "deal" on a player well into the twilight of their career (over 30 years of age) because the likes of the Suns and GWS require short term experienced players with a profile.
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Don't need to imagine... We have 6 top 10 picks on our list....End Of An Era wrote: Imagine what we could do with 4 top 10 picks!!!
2000
Pick 1 - Nick Riewoldt
Pick 2 - Justin Koschitzke
2002
Pick 1 - Brendan Goddard
2003
Pick 4 - Farren Ray
Pick 8 - Raphael Clarke
2006
Pick 9 - David Armitage
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Any that I have forgotten? (Obviously MG has just retired and was pick 1 in 1996)
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End Of An Era wrote:So we can have our best shot at winning the flag the next time we are a contender. If you think we can be a contender again before Dal and BJ retire then keep them. However I reckon Dal and BJ will be long retired before we challenge again. That being the case, we should trade both of them now while they still have currency. Imagine what we could do with 4 top 10 picks!!! Not to mention with those 2 gone, players like Winmar, Sippos and Cripps and the other youngsters would be forced to step up rather than just be languishing in the reserves.To the top wrote:Why the hell do some want to trade our best footballers, still with years on their side for unproven 18 year olds from an under age competition?
We need our best footballers at St Kilda so we can build a team around them - and, as the voting last night evidenced, we want our best footballers in good physical shape and in good form because they were not in 2011.
Others mentioned for trade, such as Gilbert, should also be retained as the building blocks for the progression of the 19/21 year olds on our list who have had little exposure to date - and where we have to find out if they have the ability to progress as a matter of urgency.
It is at the bottom end of your list that you cut and cull - not the top end.
Unless you can get an exceptional "deal" on a player well into the twilight of their career (over 30 years of age) because the likes of the Suns and GWS require short term experienced players with a profile.
Solution if YOUwant top ten picks. YOU piss off and barrack for GWS
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