2011 - Player by Player Ratings
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2011 - Player by Player Ratings
Ordered by ratings out of 10 relative to (my) expectations. 5 is performing at expectations, 9 or 10 is a great year, 1 or 2 is a horrible year.
Nick Dal Santo: 23 games
8 - a really good season where he surpassed expectations, which in Lenny's absence was impressive
Stephen Milne - 23 games
8 - close to the best year of his career, single-handedly kept the forward line going, massive year at his age
Ben McEvoy: 22 games, 1 emergency
8 - took a big step in Gardy's absence and thinks like a top ruckman, but still needs to get a bit stronger
Sean Dempster: 23 games
8 - became a surprisingly good small defender in the absence of Bakes; just don't play him up forward please
Sam Fisher: 23 games
7 - halfway through the year he was the only bloke standing up, faded a bit but still a good season
Clinton Jones: 23 games
7 - didn't particularly improve (especially disposal) but was really consistent in standing up in Lenny's absence
Brett Peake: 19 games, 1 emergency, 3 at Sandy
7 - I thought he'd be out of the side this year and certainly was well ahead of that, faded late though
Dean Polo: 15 games, 1 emergency, 5 at Sandy, 3 injured
7 - gave us a lot more than I expected, not a star but could be a good trier for a while
Jack Steven: 21 games, 2 at Sandy
7 - played more games than I expected and took a step, is now a good player and could become very good with consistency
Arryn Siposs: 5 games, 2 emergency, 7 at Sandy, 2 at Sandy reserves, 6 injured
7 - well ahead of what I thought we'd get from a #75 draft pick, shows good signs though a long way to go
Jamie Cripps - 4 games, 1 emergency, 4 at Sandy, 13 injured
7 - showed real signs of being a good player but still a year or two away most likely
Leigh Montagna: 21 games, 1 injured, 1 suspended
6 - no doubt he's had better years, couldn't be as damaging when playing inside more in Lenny's absence
James Gwilt: 15 games, 8 injured
6 - very solid when in the side but unlucky with injury
David Armitage: 22 games, 1 suspended
6 - certainly his best season though still not great and still seems to go missing too often
Tommy Walsh - 4 emergency, 17 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
6 - all signs are that he will be good enough for AFL, expect to see a bit of him next year
Tom Ledger - 2 games, 1 emergency, 5 at Sandy, 16 injured
6 - also shows signs of being a good player but lots of injuries this year
Jarryn Geary: 8 games, 4 emergency, 4 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 11 injured
6 - not bad given his long early injury, had an impact as a sub but needs to improve disposal to be a good player
Adam Schneider: 21 games, 1 at Sandy, 1 suspended
6 - solid year but he has all the tools to be a real star and I wish he'd just get there
Raph Clarke: 17 games, 2 emergency, 6 at Sandy
6 - a couple of really good games but still couldn't find the consistency required of a defender
Daniel Archer - 1 game, 2 emergency, 17 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
6 - I didn't expect to see him at all so I guess he exceeded expectations, but doesn't seem likely to be part of the future
Jackson Ferguson - 6 at Sandy, 5 at Sandy reserves, 12 injured
6 - sounds like he did better than I would have expected, long way to go though
Jason Blake: 12 games, 3 emergency, 4 at Sandy, 5 injured
5 - didn't do more than I expected but was honest and keeps giving his all, should hang around one more year
Zac Dawson: 20 games, 1 injured, 2 suspended
5 - beaten more often than we'd like but still was honest and kept trying back there
Ryan Gamble: 11 games, 9 emergency, 7 at Sandy
5 - I didn't expect much and that's essentially what I got, had one very good game and that was about it
Nick Winmar: 2 games, 7 emergency, 13 at Sandy, 2 injured
5 - still a long way from AFL standard given the small amount we've seen of him
Brendon Goddard: 23 games
5 - another who really missed Lenny Hayes, didn't approach his GF1 heroics
Justin Koschitzke: 13 games, 1 emergency, 3 at Sandy, 5 injured, 2 suspended
5 - don't expect him to be a superstar and you'll get honest key forward play (though inconsistent)
Jason Gram: 20 games, 2 at Sandy
5 - definitely not his best year but decent at times in a variety of roles including small defender
Tom Lynch: 5 games, 1 emergency, 13 at Sandy, 3 injured
5 - gave about what was expected in his first real year in the senior side, not going to be a superstar but could keep improving to be solid
Tom Simpkin: 2 games, 2 emergency, 17 at Sandy
5 - didn't see heaps of him but still looks to me like he could be a useful player for good while
Robert Eddy - 14 at Sandy, 8 injured
5 - exactly what I expected, zero games at AFL level
Warrick Andreoli - 6 at Sandy, 10 at Sandy reserves, 4 injured
5 - pretty much as expected for a rookie pick
Tom Curren - 10 at Sandy, 7 at Sandy reserves, 2 injured
5 - pretty much as expected for a rookie pick
Farren Ray: 21 games, 2 injured
4 - just didn't do that much, played some roles but didn't turn into a good player as I hoped
Andrew McQualter: 5 games, 8 emergency, 8 at Sandy, 7 injured
4 - last call for Mini and probably fair enough, just isn't quite good enough for AFL
Sam Gilbert: 23 games
4 - not as good as his last two years, looked rattled and made mistakes
Sam Crocker: 5 at Sandy, 5 at Sandy reserves, 13 injured
4 - didn't expect much but it would have been good to see him play most games rather than have long-running injuries
Steven Baker: 10 games, 8 emergency, 5 at Sandy, 2 injured, 2 suspended
4 - I thought he had another year in him, but got a touch slower and was fairly easily replaced by Dempster in the end
Will Johnson - 1 game, 15 at Sandy, 7 injured
4 - didn't expect much but doesn't look like he'll be a player
Alistair Smith - 3 games, 1 emergency, 14 at Sandy, 3 injured
3 - I expected a bit from this kid but he didn't really show much when in the side, still earned another year surely
Paul Cahill - 9 at Sandy, 4 at Sandy reserves, 8 injured
3 - reasonable to expect that he would have got close to a senior game this year, but nowhere near, not sure where he is now
Nick Riewoldt: 22 games, 1 suspended
2 - probably his worst year, injured I guess, not sure what happens next but I still think he can be a good player
Rhys Stanley: 2 games, 8 at Sandy, 11 injured
2 - I hoped we'd see a lot of him this year but was injured and had no impact when in the side, or even at Sandy by all reports
Nick Heyne: 16 at Sandy, 2 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
2 - I didn't expect much and got a lot less, surely he's done
Lenny Hayes: 2 games, 23 injured
1 - injured very early so had effectively no output
Michael Gardiner: 1 game, 1 emergency, 7 at Sandy, 15 injured
1 - played a half and had essentially no impact on the year
Nick Dal Santo: 23 games
8 - a really good season where he surpassed expectations, which in Lenny's absence was impressive
Stephen Milne - 23 games
8 - close to the best year of his career, single-handedly kept the forward line going, massive year at his age
Ben McEvoy: 22 games, 1 emergency
8 - took a big step in Gardy's absence and thinks like a top ruckman, but still needs to get a bit stronger
Sean Dempster: 23 games
8 - became a surprisingly good small defender in the absence of Bakes; just don't play him up forward please
Sam Fisher: 23 games
7 - halfway through the year he was the only bloke standing up, faded a bit but still a good season
Clinton Jones: 23 games
7 - didn't particularly improve (especially disposal) but was really consistent in standing up in Lenny's absence
Brett Peake: 19 games, 1 emergency, 3 at Sandy
7 - I thought he'd be out of the side this year and certainly was well ahead of that, faded late though
Dean Polo: 15 games, 1 emergency, 5 at Sandy, 3 injured
7 - gave us a lot more than I expected, not a star but could be a good trier for a while
Jack Steven: 21 games, 2 at Sandy
7 - played more games than I expected and took a step, is now a good player and could become very good with consistency
Arryn Siposs: 5 games, 2 emergency, 7 at Sandy, 2 at Sandy reserves, 6 injured
7 - well ahead of what I thought we'd get from a #75 draft pick, shows good signs though a long way to go
Jamie Cripps - 4 games, 1 emergency, 4 at Sandy, 13 injured
7 - showed real signs of being a good player but still a year or two away most likely
Leigh Montagna: 21 games, 1 injured, 1 suspended
6 - no doubt he's had better years, couldn't be as damaging when playing inside more in Lenny's absence
James Gwilt: 15 games, 8 injured
6 - very solid when in the side but unlucky with injury
David Armitage: 22 games, 1 suspended
6 - certainly his best season though still not great and still seems to go missing too often
Tommy Walsh - 4 emergency, 17 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
6 - all signs are that he will be good enough for AFL, expect to see a bit of him next year
Tom Ledger - 2 games, 1 emergency, 5 at Sandy, 16 injured
6 - also shows signs of being a good player but lots of injuries this year
Jarryn Geary: 8 games, 4 emergency, 4 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 11 injured
6 - not bad given his long early injury, had an impact as a sub but needs to improve disposal to be a good player
Adam Schneider: 21 games, 1 at Sandy, 1 suspended
6 - solid year but he has all the tools to be a real star and I wish he'd just get there
Raph Clarke: 17 games, 2 emergency, 6 at Sandy
6 - a couple of really good games but still couldn't find the consistency required of a defender
Daniel Archer - 1 game, 2 emergency, 17 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
6 - I didn't expect to see him at all so I guess he exceeded expectations, but doesn't seem likely to be part of the future
Jackson Ferguson - 6 at Sandy, 5 at Sandy reserves, 12 injured
6 - sounds like he did better than I would have expected, long way to go though
Jason Blake: 12 games, 3 emergency, 4 at Sandy, 5 injured
5 - didn't do more than I expected but was honest and keeps giving his all, should hang around one more year
Zac Dawson: 20 games, 1 injured, 2 suspended
5 - beaten more often than we'd like but still was honest and kept trying back there
Ryan Gamble: 11 games, 9 emergency, 7 at Sandy
5 - I didn't expect much and that's essentially what I got, had one very good game and that was about it
Nick Winmar: 2 games, 7 emergency, 13 at Sandy, 2 injured
5 - still a long way from AFL standard given the small amount we've seen of him
Brendon Goddard: 23 games
5 - another who really missed Lenny Hayes, didn't approach his GF1 heroics
Justin Koschitzke: 13 games, 1 emergency, 3 at Sandy, 5 injured, 2 suspended
5 - don't expect him to be a superstar and you'll get honest key forward play (though inconsistent)
Jason Gram: 20 games, 2 at Sandy
5 - definitely not his best year but decent at times in a variety of roles including small defender
Tom Lynch: 5 games, 1 emergency, 13 at Sandy, 3 injured
5 - gave about what was expected in his first real year in the senior side, not going to be a superstar but could keep improving to be solid
Tom Simpkin: 2 games, 2 emergency, 17 at Sandy
5 - didn't see heaps of him but still looks to me like he could be a useful player for good while
Robert Eddy - 14 at Sandy, 8 injured
5 - exactly what I expected, zero games at AFL level
Warrick Andreoli - 6 at Sandy, 10 at Sandy reserves, 4 injured
5 - pretty much as expected for a rookie pick
Tom Curren - 10 at Sandy, 7 at Sandy reserves, 2 injured
5 - pretty much as expected for a rookie pick
Farren Ray: 21 games, 2 injured
4 - just didn't do that much, played some roles but didn't turn into a good player as I hoped
Andrew McQualter: 5 games, 8 emergency, 8 at Sandy, 7 injured
4 - last call for Mini and probably fair enough, just isn't quite good enough for AFL
Sam Gilbert: 23 games
4 - not as good as his last two years, looked rattled and made mistakes
Sam Crocker: 5 at Sandy, 5 at Sandy reserves, 13 injured
4 - didn't expect much but it would have been good to see him play most games rather than have long-running injuries
Steven Baker: 10 games, 8 emergency, 5 at Sandy, 2 injured, 2 suspended
4 - I thought he had another year in him, but got a touch slower and was fairly easily replaced by Dempster in the end
Will Johnson - 1 game, 15 at Sandy, 7 injured
4 - didn't expect much but doesn't look like he'll be a player
Alistair Smith - 3 games, 1 emergency, 14 at Sandy, 3 injured
3 - I expected a bit from this kid but he didn't really show much when in the side, still earned another year surely
Paul Cahill - 9 at Sandy, 4 at Sandy reserves, 8 injured
3 - reasonable to expect that he would have got close to a senior game this year, but nowhere near, not sure where he is now
Nick Riewoldt: 22 games, 1 suspended
2 - probably his worst year, injured I guess, not sure what happens next but I still think he can be a good player
Rhys Stanley: 2 games, 8 at Sandy, 11 injured
2 - I hoped we'd see a lot of him this year but was injured and had no impact when in the side, or even at Sandy by all reports
Nick Heyne: 16 at Sandy, 2 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
2 - I didn't expect much and got a lot less, surely he's done
Lenny Hayes: 2 games, 23 injured
1 - injured very early so had effectively no output
Michael Gardiner: 1 game, 1 emergency, 7 at Sandy, 15 injured
1 - played a half and had essentially no impact on the year
Re: 2011 - Player by Player Ratings
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Daniel Archer - 1 game, 2 emergency, 17 at Sandy, 1 at Sandy reserves, 1 injured
6 - I didn't expect to see him at all so I guess he exceeded expectations, but doesn't seem likely to be part of the future
Jackson Ferguson - 6 at Sandy, 5 at Sandy reserves, 12 injured
6 - sounds like he did better than I would have expected, long way to go though
Ryan Gamble: 11 games, 9 emergency, 7 at Sandy
5 - I didn't expect much and that's essentially what I got, had one very good game and that was about it
Nick Winmar: 2 games, 7 emergency, 13 at Sandy, 2 injured
5 - still a long way from AFL standard given the small amount we've seen of him
Tom Simpkin: 2 games, 2 emergency, 17 at Sandy
5 - didn't see heaps of him but still looks to me like he could be a useful player for good while
Robert Eddy - 14 at Sandy, 8 injured
5 - exactly what I expected, zero games at AFL level
Warrick Andreoli - 6 at Sandy, 10 at Sandy reserves, 4 injured
5 - pretty much as expected for a rookie pick
Tom Curren - 10 at Sandy, 7 at Sandy reserves, 2 injured
5 - pretty much as expected for a rookie pick
Nick Riewoldt: 22 games, 1 suspended
2 - probably his worst year, injured I guess, not sure what happens next but I still think he can be a good player
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as i said at the top - on my expectations of them. i expected armo to take the next step this year, while i expected about five ineffective games out of polo.BigMart wrote:Unusual rating of Gwilt
I had him at third in the b and f until he went down..... his season was an easy 8 for mine
Polo higher than Armitage???
Were they rated on expectation of them, or actual output....
as for gwilt, i reckon he had a good season but in the end couldn't contribute enough because of injury, which dropped his rating a couple. similar to lenny - i didn't really want to give him a 1 but given he only played 1.5 games it was hard to suggest that his output was anywhere near my expectations.
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Sorry berholdt ridiculous thread
Based on expectation what is that
So you expected dal to be terrible but he was actually ok. So he gets 8!!!
Whilst Walsh played no senior games but based on an expectTion of what gets 5
Whereas in reality from what we saw in the international rules and preseason expectations were probably higher. Therefore his score based on expectation should be 2 or 3 as he actually failed to deliver
Based on expectation what is that
So you expected dal to be terrible but he was actually ok. So he gets 8!!!
Whilst Walsh played no senior games but based on an expectTion of what gets 5
Whereas in reality from what we saw in the international rules and preseason expectations were probably higher. Therefore his score based on expectation should be 2 or 3 as he actually failed to deliver
It's not ridiculous, but it is self-indulgent. Hardly alone on a forum though. Bergholt is allowed a say.terry smith rules wrote:Sorry berholdt ridiculous thread
Based on expectation what is that
So you expected dal to be terrible but he was actually ok. So he gets 8!!!
Whilst Walsh played no senior games but based on an expectTion of what gets 5
Whereas in reality from what we saw in the international rules and preseason expectations were probably higher. Therefore his score based on expectation should be 2 or 3 as he actually failed to deliver
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so your score for walsh is 2 or 3? fair enough. though i reckon your expectations were a bit too high.terry smith rules wrote:Sorry berholdt ridiculous thread
Based on expectation what is that
So you expected dal to be terrible but he was actually ok. So he gets 8!!!
Whilst Walsh played no senior games but based on an expectTion of what gets 5
Whereas in reality from what we saw in the international rules and preseason expectations were probably higher. Therefore his score based on expectation should be 2 or 3 as he actually failed to deliver
i think my point is that everyone's ratings would be based on expectation to some extent. goddard had a season which for nick heyne would have been considered incredible. however, goddard has shown enough in the past that we (or I) expect a lot more from him. so he can't get an 8 despite being in our top 6 players for the year.
feel free to give your own ratings, i just wanted to vent. as we all do today.
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Are you for real???? You rate Goddard in our best 6 players this year yet a player who has yet to play a game for us ahead of him. You say he, Walsh
will get games next year, have I missed something? Has Ross Lyon retired. He has been carried by our good players and has never trusted in youth, OFTEN plugging gaps with fringe players from other clubs instead of looking for young players with speed and kicking skills.
He inherited a good list from Thomas and our top players back then are still our top players now. If people think I am going senile at my age I would like to see a list of our top 5 players each year in our B&F since he took over.
will get games next year, have I missed something? Has Ross Lyon retired. He has been carried by our good players and has never trusted in youth, OFTEN plugging gaps with fringe players from other clubs instead of looking for young players with speed and kicking skills.
He inherited a good list from Thomas and our top players back then are still our top players now. If people think I am going senile at my age I would like to see a list of our top 5 players each year in our B&F since he took over.
i kinda expected him to be blake mcgrath the second - hang around for a while and never be mentioned in dispatches from sandy. however, i've heard ferguson mentioned multiple times as a real player and one to watch, so that's a fair bit better than i expected in his first year.bennymac5 wrote:If 5 is your exact expectation, then how did Ferguson exceed your's by not playing a game.
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Players performed above expectation - J Steven, Milne, Dempster, Peake
To expected level - Dal Santo, Mc Evoy, C Jones, Fisher, Montagna, Schneider, Blake
Below expected level - Riewoldt, Goddard, Gram, Koschitzke, Ray
Players expected to improve but didn't - Gilbert, Polo, Gamble, Clarke, Dawson, Armitage, Geary
The others not given enough opportunity or played enough games to be judged.
That leaves a lot of room for a lot of players on our list to be in the "above expectation or expected level" status for 2012.
To expected level - Dal Santo, Mc Evoy, C Jones, Fisher, Montagna, Schneider, Blake
Below expected level - Riewoldt, Goddard, Gram, Koschitzke, Ray
Players expected to improve but didn't - Gilbert, Polo, Gamble, Clarke, Dawson, Armitage, Geary
The others not given enough opportunity or played enough games to be judged.
That leaves a lot of room for a lot of players on our list to be in the "above expectation or expected level" status for 2012.