Goodes and Mumford....
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Goodes and Mumford....
Make no mistake....Lyon's thinking, gameplan, match-ups and selection decisions this week will all revolve around these two plays.
Restricting their influence will be a key plank in ensuring a St Kilda win.
* Sam Fisher once again looms as the likely match-up for Goodes. But with Goodes you need a plan B & C as well.
* Mumford. Ben was ill last time they met. however the saints will be up against it if Mummmie roles out another game like last time against us.
Gardi v Ben, Gardi and Ben, large use of third man up.
This will be the area that will no doubt cause Ross the most angst and soul searching this week.
Being at Docklands it is also removes weather from the equation, but importantly lets us play at a ground that we are most comfortable at.
Rooey will also be away from his MCG Demons.
Restricting their influence will be a key plank in ensuring a St Kilda win.
* Sam Fisher once again looms as the likely match-up for Goodes. But with Goodes you need a plan B & C as well.
* Mumford. Ben was ill last time they met. however the saints will be up against it if Mummmie roles out another game like last time against us.
Gardi v Ben, Gardi and Ben, large use of third man up.
This will be the area that will no doubt cause Ross the most angst and soul searching this week.
Being at Docklands it is also removes weather from the equation, but importantly lets us play at a ground that we are most comfortable at.
Rooey will also be away from his MCG Demons.
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Ross will likely pick both Gardiner and Mac to counter Mummy (dry conditions will suit an extra tall).
Goodes was the match winner last time playing on Fisher. I like Gilbert on him, he's a little quicker.
Armo must come in - for who I don't know? Possibly Blake.
Geary as sub - he's been our best since Cripps.
Goodes was the match winner last time playing on Fisher. I like Gilbert on him, he's a little quicker.
Armo must come in - for who I don't know? Possibly Blake.
Geary as sub - he's been our best since Cripps.
Like I said Blake hasn't played on Goodes for years. He's not as mobile as he use to be or maybe he just looks slow as the games speed has increased. I would be very surprised if he lined up on him. It will be Fisher or Gilbert or both. Dempster has height however not the body to contest marks against Goodes IMO.matrix wrote:has he?
considerably slowed???
hes as fast/slow as he has been over the last two years, otherwise he wouldnt be getting a slot in one of the best defences in he league
imo
but id go with dempster
gilbert is a chance too
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Fisher actually beat Goodes last time.. it wasn't until Lyon took Fisher off him to free him up that Goodes started to dominate in that last qtr.matrix wrote:id rather not see chips on goodes
goodes too good imo
dempstered??
going to be interesting
gotta love finals
In saying that, id prefer having Fisher as a loose man 3rd man up kind of role instead of a pure lock down defender. But Goodes and Mummy are our main two worries.
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Fisher or Gilbert are the obvious ones for Goodes, IMO. Gilbo has serious speed. How good was his chase down of Judd last night, on the wing, late in the game? He came form well back and Judd had to rush the kick in the end, just getting it off in time. Great speed and agility.
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Dempster would be good I think.
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I think he could run with him.battye wrote:Dempster would be good I think.
From memory he really does struggle with close attention, if they got Sean to shadow him, I could quickly see his focus shifting towards winning some love from the umps
Maybe I am imagining that, but I seem to recall this early in the year when he was getting harder tags, always appealing for frees?
Ross said last week, he has some stuff up his sleeve that he gleaned from Syndey, I'm sure he has a plan.
I do hope it involves Fisher is in the backline though, gobbling up everything.
We will play Chips on Goodes again when up forward and then it gets down to MG or Ben. They cant play both. Just leaves us with no run. RL is a hard man and wouldnt give a stuff Ben has played nearly every game but I still think he will go with him on Mummy. Last time we didnt have Kosi and rumours were Ben was sick so I reckon he will get another chance.
Hard one to callplugger66 wrote:We will play Chips on Goodes again when up forward and then it gets down to MG or Ben. They cant play both. Just leaves us with no run. RL is a hard man and wouldnt give a stuff Ben has played nearly every game but I still think he will go with him on Mummy. Last time we didnt have Kosi and rumours were Ben was sick so I reckon he will get another chance.
Ben & Kosi
or
Gardi and Kosi
Swans don't have as much run as Carlton so 3 may go around again.
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
Dont rate Shaw, Malcheski and Kennelly. They can still run even if they are getting older. Ran ok yesterday against an ordinary side.PJ wrote:Hard one to callplugger66 wrote:We will play Chips on Goodes again when up forward and then it gets down to MG or Ben. They cant play both. Just leaves us with no run. RL is a hard man and wouldnt give a stuff Ben has played nearly every game but I still think he will go with him on Mummy. Last time we didnt have Kosi and rumours were Ben was sick so I reckon he will get another chance.
Ben & Kosi
or
Gardi and Kosi
Swans don't have as much run as Carlton so 3 may go around again.
Yes I rate them but not in the same league as Carlton's leg speed. Gardi was pulled when we obviously needed to go a little quicker and match up better but Ray didn't really give us anything. Mumford is the big worry, regardless of whether ben was sick or not gardi is a better match up.plugger66 wrote:Dont rate Shaw, Malcheski and Kennelly. They can still run even if they are getting older. Ran ok yesterday against an ordinary side.PJ wrote:Hard one to callplugger66 wrote:We will play Chips on Goodes again when up forward and then it gets down to MG or Ben. They cant play both. Just leaves us with no run. RL is a hard man and wouldnt give a stuff Ben has played nearly every game but I still think he will go with him on Mummy. Last time we didnt have Kosi and rumours were Ben was sick so I reckon he will get another chance.
Ben & Kosi
or
Gardi and Kosi
Swans don't have as much run as Carlton so 3 may go around again.
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
Well if that is the case then play MG because if we have to play both then we have to hide one when they arent rucking and last nights hiding didnt work well unless of course we only look at the result and not what was actually happening when it was hot in the first half.PJ wrote:Yes I rate them but not in the same league as Carlton's leg speed. Gardi was pulled when we obviously needed to go a little quicker and match up better but Ray didn't really give us anything. Mumford is the big worry, regardless of whether ben was sick or not gardi is a better match up.plugger66 wrote:Dont rate Shaw, Malcheski and Kennelly. They can still run even if they are getting older. Ran ok yesterday against an ordinary side.PJ wrote:Hard one to callplugger66 wrote:We will play Chips on Goodes again when up forward and then it gets down to MG or Ben. They cant play both. Just leaves us with no run. RL is a hard man and wouldnt give a stuff Ben has played nearly every game but I still think he will go with him on Mummy. Last time we didnt have Kosi and rumours were Ben was sick so I reckon he will get another chance.
Ben & Kosi
or
Gardi and Kosi
Swans don't have as much run as Carlton so 3 may go around again.
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Plugger66 said :
I tend to agree Plugger. Etihad is a small ground and with Gardy, Macca and Kosi, we are a bit cumbersome. I hate to say it, but on the smaller ground and against Mumford, I favour Gardi for the job at hand. On the bigger MCG, it may be a different matter.Well if that is the case then play MG because if we have to play both then we have to hide one when they arent rucking and last nights hiding didnt work well unless of course we only look at the result and not what was actually happening when it was hot in the first half.
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On the Goodes match-up, he is the key to them winning and needs to be kept quiet if at all possible.
My first choice would be for Fisher as a permanent blanket, because of his size and experience.
Next option would be Gilbert because of his pace and agility. Blake is now a bit slow and Dempster a bit too light.
We alternated coverage of Judd on Saturday, which worked well. Perhaps Fisher and Gilbert (when Goodes moves into the centre), alternating this week?
My first choice would be for Fisher as a permanent blanket, because of his size and experience.
Next option would be Gilbert because of his pace and agility. Blake is now a bit slow and Dempster a bit too light.
We alternated coverage of Judd on Saturday, which worked well. Perhaps Fisher and Gilbert (when Goodes moves into the centre), alternating this week?
How dare you question the great one .. !!PJ wrote:Hard one to callplugger66 wrote:We will play Chips on Goodes again when up forward and then it gets down to MG or Ben. They cant play both. Just leaves us with no run. RL is a hard man and wouldnt give a stuff Ben has played nearly every game but I still think he will go with him on Mummy. Last time we didnt have Kosi and rumours were Ben was sick so I reckon he will get another chance.
Ben & Kosi
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Gardi and Kosi
Swans don't have as much run as Carlton so 3 may go around again.
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