JUNK TIME

Leo.J · Post: # 1120579Post **Leo.J** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 5:01pm

I was thinking how alot of people are saying the Filth hung up the boots in the last half of the last quarter on friday night.

And that the 19 point margin meant little.

So I decided to investigate and see if this is characteristic of the filth, and how they go normally in the last 15 minutes of a game.

And this is what I found...

In 2011 during the last 15 minutes of a game the Filth have kicked a whopping -

57 goals 43 behinds

Compared to their opponent who have managed -

18 goals 22 behinds

During the season so far they have only been out scored in the last 15 minutes of a game 4 times including friday night.

It was against the -

The Cats where the Filth kicked 1.2 to the Cats 2.1,

The Hawks where the Filth kicked 1.4 to the Hawks 2.1,

The Gold Coast where the Filth kicked 2.1 to the Gold Coasts 2.3,

And against the Saints where the Filth kicked 1.0 to the Saints 2.3.

During 2011 only twice has the Filth had more scoring shots kicked against them in the last 15min of a game.

Against GC and the Saints.

The Filth have had 100 scoring shots and their opposition have had 40.

For the season so far, the biggest losing margin during the last 15 minutes was on friday night.

For the season so far, the biggest difference between the Filth and their opponent in scoring shots, where the Filth have been beaten by their opponent in the last 15 minutes of a game was on friday night 5 -1.

So from what I've found you could say friday night was uncharacteristic for the Filth.

But I'll let you guys make of it what you will.

References see below.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/2011.html
http://www.gameanalyser.afl.com.au/?rou ... ality=high

Dan Warna · Post: # 1120586Post **Dan Warna** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 5:07pm

we are a rubbish side and we should sack the coach for his mistakes...have you missed the threads in the forum?

IMO half this lot would surrender at the first sign of anything.

Leo.J · Post: # 1120589Post **Leo.J** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 5:11pm

Dan Warna wrote:we are a rubbish side and we should sack the coach for his mistakes...have you missed the threads in the forum?

IMO half this lot would surrender at the first sign of anything.

If they were written in rose colour I would have missed them.

While drinking my half full beer.

Dan Warna · Post: # 1120599Post **Dan Warna** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 5:31pm

Leo.J wrote:
Dan Warna wrote:we are a rubbish side and we should sack the coach for his mistakes...have you missed the threads in the forum?

IMO half this lot would surrender at the first sign of anything.

If they were written in rose colour I would have missed them.

While drinking my half full beer.

collingwood were cruising apparently, they had us covered...

plugger66 · Post: # 1120664Post **plugger66** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 7:03pm

Dan Warna wrote:
Leo.J wrote:
Dan Warna wrote:we are a rubbish side and we should sack the coach for his mistakes...have you missed the threads in the forum?

IMO half this lot would surrender at the first sign of anything.

If they were written in rose colour I would have missed them.

While drinking my half full beer.
collingwood were cruising apparently, they had us covered...

Havent read that from anyone. Got any posts to say people said that?

jays · Post: # 1120667Post **jays** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 7:05pm

they were getting tied

stinger · Post: # 1120708Post **stinger** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 7:40pm

jays wrote:they were getting tied

what sort of knots...?

hungry for a premiership · Sun 14 Aug 2011 7:47pm

what sort of knots...?

The same kind that has enveloped this thread.

philtee · Post: # 1120725Post **philtee** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 8:04pm

It was a strange last ten minutes of the game. It could just as easily have blown out to over 50 points.
But Collingwood slackened a little, and the Saints to their credit took full advantage. This goes mightily against the trend of Collingwood's
big finishing quarters throughout the season, so you have to wonder why...
my 2 cents says it was tiredness leading to a lack of concentration. Ergo, Milne,
their most hated player, popping up with a soft mark and goal in the last qtr.
I doubt MM would have been clapping that one.

Megsie · Post: # 1120733Post **Megsie** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 8:20pm

Arizona has worn them out !!!!!!!!!

borderbarry · Sun 14 Aug 2011 8:21pm

They were getting tied. As in the first Grand Final last year.

Dan Warna · Post: # 1120742Post **Dan Warna** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 8:53pm

philtee wrote:It was a strange last ten minutes of the game. It could just as easily have blown out to over 50 points.
But Collingwood slackened a little, and the Saints to their credit took full advantage. This goes mightily against the trend of Collingwood's
big finishing quarters throughout the season, so you have to wonder why...
my 2 cents says it was tiredness leading to a lack of concentration. Ergo, Milne,
their most hated player, popping up with a soft mark and goal in the last qtr.
I doubt MM would have been clapping that one.

they were getting tired because we ran them hard.

thejiggingsaint · Sun 14 Aug 2011 8:58pm

Excellent points Leo. Now send your stats to that bastard Rohan Connolly who reckons we're "dreaming" if we think we can compete with the ragpies

Moods · Post: # 1120749Post **Moods** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 9:12pm

The game definitely slowed down the last 15 minutes. EVERYONE looked buggered, and I actually reckon the pies players were exhausted from the blistering 1st half. I don't reckon they have had to sustain that sort of intensity for a long time. It won them the game but it took its toll. Who knows if they slackened off, but I do know the game is played over 80 minutes (plus time on)

Would it have happened if it were a final? I reckon it would have. I have watched the pies live about 8 times this year. They NEVER slacken off in the last 1/4, which is why their % is so good.

My take is that the game slowed down b/c it had already been won and the pies were exhausted. WE were good enough to take advantage of that, rather than allow the game to peter out. Were we ever a realistic chance to beat them in the last 1/4 though? I don't reckon.

ThePunter · Post: # 1120753Post **ThePunter** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 9:27pm

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Collingwood clearly slowed down. They had one fit player available on the bench.

Having said that, it really takes nothing away from the Saints' effort.

Con Gorozidis · Sun 14 Aug 2011 9:29pm

good post Leo. good research. we did really. game was winnable all day long.

White Winmar · Sun 14 Aug 2011 10:47pm

The filth was knackered. That's why we outscored them in the last quarter. I can't believe the pessimism of some on here. More scoring shots and beat them in several key stats. We are getting closer all the time. Unless we get some more injuries, I can see us taking them. Bring on a rematch in September!

stinger · Post: # 1120818Post **stinger** » Sun 14 Aug 2011 11:42pm

White Winmar wrote:The filth was knackered. That's why we outscored them in the last quarter. I can't believe the pessimism of some on here. More scoring shots and beat them in several key stats. We are getting closer all the time. Unless we get some more injuries, I can see us taking them. Bring on a rematch in September!

yep.....it's working out just the way i hoped it would....

bigred · Post: # 1120849Post **bigred** » Mon 15 Aug 2011 8:34am

Poor babies had two six day breaks....

How many six day breaks have we had in the last three years?

Should have kicked those three goals late in the last.

Would have made it quite interesting.

"They were tired".... "Had one on the bench?"

Well how does that roll coming into the finals where they play some hard games...? Any side could find themselves in rotation trouble......

Rosco · Post: # 1121036Post **Rosco** » Mon 15 Aug 2011 4:26pm

bigred wrote:"They were tired".... "Had one on the bench?"

Well how does that roll coming into the finals where they play some hard games...? Any side could find themselves in rotation trouble......

it matters because under the AFL Laws of the Game, section 10.7.3, "If Collingwood has enough excuses then they shall be awarded the four premiership points even if they finish with less points than their opposition." it's the rule after 10.7.2 - "C. Judd. 3 votes."

Thinline · Post: # 1121043Post **Thinline** » Mon 15 Aug 2011 4:45pm

Fact is they are a terrific side. But that doesn't mean they are impenetrable.
I think we showed they are. Those two late before half time were critical. Equally critical were a couple of crucial misses on our behalf. Swan fluked his tumbler. Schneider didn't quite do the same with his. Them's the brakes. Often that is the difference. Can they play better? Not against us, I think. Can we against them? On our day, definitely.

St Chris · Post: # 1121079Post **St Chris** » Mon 15 Aug 2011 5:34pm

We dont have a too shabby record in last quarters either, the last few weeks we've dominated sides in the last quarter, so I knew we were always going to come hard.

If the Pies shut up shop, who knows?? None of us, thats for sure.....

stevie · Post: # 1121086Post **stevie** » Mon 15 Aug 2011 5:44pm

Rosco wrote:
bigred wrote:"They were tired".... "Had one on the bench?"

Well how does that roll coming into the finals where they play some hard games...? Any side could find themselves in rotation trouble......
it matters because under the AFL Laws of the Game, section 10.7.3, "If Collingwood has enough excuses then they shall be awarded the four premiership points even if they finish with less points than their opposition." it's the rule after 10.7.2 - "C. Judd. 3 votes."

The umpires love gouger judd so much, he'll probably get some of CJ's votes