Chris Pelchen & Ross !!
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Some say his record speaks for itself...
Here's a few things to consider:
- Drafting Mitch Thorp with pick six in 2006 when Joel Selwood went at seven.
- Using pick three and six in the 2005 draft to get Xavier Ellis and Beau Dowler.
Josh Kennedy and Scott Pendlebury went in the two picks after Ellis.
Among the next nine picks after Dowler were Paddy Ryder, Mitch Clark, Shaun Higgins, Shannon Hurn and Travis Varcoe.
I know hindisght is 20/20 and injuries have been factors but everyone talks about Pelchen like he is a guru. His record ain't that great.
Here's a few things to consider:
- Drafting Mitch Thorp with pick six in 2006 when Joel Selwood went at seven.
- Using pick three and six in the 2005 draft to get Xavier Ellis and Beau Dowler.
Josh Kennedy and Scott Pendlebury went in the two picks after Ellis.
Among the next nine picks after Dowler were Paddy Ryder, Mitch Clark, Shaun Higgins, Shannon Hurn and Travis Varcoe.
I know hindisght is 20/20 and injuries have been factors but everyone talks about Pelchen like he is a guru. His record ain't that great.
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Wow, that is right up there with some of the stinkiest Richmond drafting decisions, people bang on about Buddy & Roughhead but gee any of Ryder, Clark, or Higgins would have been huge for themB W and R all over wrote:Some say his record speaks for itself...
Here's a few things to consider:
- Drafting Mitch Thorp with pick six in 2006 when Joel Selwood went at seven.
- Using pick three and six in the 2005 draft to get Xavier Ellis and Beau Dowler.
Josh Kennedy and Scott Pendlebury went in the two picks after Ellis.
Among the next nine picks after Dowler were Paddy Ryder, Mitch Clark, Shaun Higgins, Shannon Hurn and Travis Varcoe.
I know hindisght is 20/20 and injuries have been factors but everyone talks about Pelchen like he is a guru. His record ain't that great.
It really is a lottery in the end isn't it?
I mean every team has a few first rounders that never made it, some more than others…
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For mine all that proves is people get caught up in the numbers when the whole she-bang is a freakin' lottery.B W and R all over wrote:Some say his record speaks for itself...
Here's a few things to consider:
- Drafting Mitch Thorp with pick six in 2006 when Joel Selwood went at seven.
- Using pick three and six in the 2005 draft to get Xavier Ellis and Beau Dowler.
Josh Kennedy and Scott Pendlebury went in the two picks after Ellis.
Among the next nine picks after Dowler were Paddy Ryder, Mitch Clark, Shaun Higgins, Shannon Hurn and Travis Varcoe.
I know hindisght is 20/20 and injuries have been factors but everyone talks about Pelchen like he is a guru. His record ain't that great.
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Yeah, yeah first year and all but that's 2 of 8 to be really genuinely excited about. Other clubs have had more of an instant impact with lesser 'numerical' selections.
Lottery.
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And he could have very easily stuffed up the 2004 draft if the Dogs (#3-Griffen) Richmond (#4 Tambling) had taken Franklin (who went at 5).dragit wrote:Wow, that is right up there with some of the stinkiest Richmond drafting decisions, people bang on about Buddy & Roughhead but gee any of Ryder, Clark, or Higgins would have been huge for themB W and R all over wrote:Some say his record speaks for itself...
Here's a few things to consider:
- Drafting Mitch Thorp with pick six in 2006 when Joel Selwood went at seven.
- Using pick three and six in the 2005 draft to get Xavier Ellis and Beau Dowler.
Josh Kennedy and Scott Pendlebury went in the two picks after Ellis.
Among the next nine picks after Dowler were Paddy Ryder, Mitch Clark, Shaun Higgins, Shannon Hurn and Travis Varcoe.
I know hindisght is 20/20 and injuries have been factors but everyone talks about Pelchen like he is a guru. His record ain't that great.
It really is a lottery in the end isn't it?
I mean every team has a few first rounders that never made it, some more than others…
Even Rioli fell into their laps at #13 after he had a very poor draft camp (gave up during the beep test when he thought someone told him to stop & interviewed very poorly).
We may have a few recent first rounders that are only now finding their feet (Armo, Big Mac & Lynchy) but our early picks all had the talent but injury has wrecked a number of them at some point (Kosi, Ball, X & Raph).
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Biggest issue for thorp and dowler were Franklin and Rough cemented already in the seniors.fingers wrote:It's a lottery. For all the interviews and testing there is no way to know who will make it and who won't. Comes down to how well the club can develop them to get the best out of what ability they have - mentally and physically.
I reckon players develop in a better standard.
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Thorp and Dowler were very highly rated and were talked up at the time. Hawthorn stacked talls to compliment a reasonable foot brigade, Tambling was a favourite for the number 1 pick. Judd, Ball and hodge show what a lottery it is, all have gone on to be premiership players and are highly rated but we did get the dud from that list. All were nearly even money but Judd had dud shoulders.
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We wont know what was said....correct, but that doesn't mean we need to laud the con artist.......just ask North about being conned.....Eastern wrote:Two pages of character references/assanation, but what was said over coffee? My guess is that we will NEVER know !!
He even wanted first round draft picks for the property steward....
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With free agency coming in clubs are putting staff & strategies in place so that they can take advantage (& minimize the damage).
Pelchen was involved with strategies to build lists that eventually resulted in 2 clubs winning flags (Port & Hawks).
He did get a reputation as a prick to deal with though.
Pelchen was involved with strategies to build lists that eventually resulted in 2 clubs winning flags (Port & Hawks).
He did get a reputation as a prick to deal with though.
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according to some that would be what the saints needAnimal Enclosure wrote:He did get a reputation as a prick to deal with though.
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But how far did our "non pricks" get when dealing with the Pies?Animal Enclosure wrote:With free agency coming in clubs are putting staff & strategies in place so that they can take advantage (& minimize the damage).
Pelchen was involved with strategies to build lists that eventually resulted in 2 clubs winning flags (Port & Hawks).
He did get a reputation as a prick to deal with though.
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