Court case

[mr six o'clock]

Does that court case happen this week ? if so , apart from gram who else will have to be there ?

[Saint Bev]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

[Saint Bev]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

[gringo]

I hope it is over quickly and those guys get some closure and move on. Funny how Schnieds and Gram are going badly and Blake and Mini aren't even on the park. I think they are probably freaking out at the s*** storm about to hit.

[dcstkfc]

Schneider can recount his 'between 17 and 23 drinks'

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/the-q ... 11zt2.html

[mr six o'clock]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

[Dr Spaceman]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

I suppose Lovett could always do the right thing by everyone involved (including the Saints) and simply plead guilty.








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[St. Luke]

Uuurgh, I forgot that this was coming up. Hopefully It's over quickly.

[Cairnsman]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

[Dr Spaceman]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

Maybe I've got more faith in the compassion of my fellow man, but I think that's a given Cairnsman.

However this is a Saints footy forum and I don't think people are being disrespectful of the victim by simply commenting on the possible effects of the case on our players and our club.

[Cairnsman]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

Maybe I've got more faith in the compassion of my fellow man, but I think that's a given Cairnsman.

However this is a Saints footy forum and I don't think people are being disrespectful of the victim by simply commenting on the possible effects of the case on our players and our club.

I agree Doc but as you well know some football followers need reminding that in some circumstances there is more to consider than just football. It just helps to keep threads like this balanced and considerate of the people involved.

[Thinline]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

Assuming of course the victims allegation's are proved.

We wouldn't want to place above ourselves above the law or anything now, would we.

[Cairnsman]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

Assuming of course the victims allegation's are proved.

We wouldn't want to place above ourselves above the law or anything now, would we.

Well no we wouldn’t so for clarity let’s use the terms 'accuser' and 'defendant' shall we. I hope that clears it up.

[dragit]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

Assuming of course the victims allegation's are proved.

We wouldn't want to place above ourselves above the law or anything now, would we.

Well no we wouldn’t so for clarity let’s use the terms 'accuser' and 'defendant' shall we. I hope that clears it up.

not 'ray pest' and 'strays'?

[GrumpyOne]

I've heard it starts Monday. 5 players, Gram, Fisher, Blake, Schnider & McQualter + a Saints official, I think.

Thanks !
I just hope it won't effect them too much on game day seeing they may miss training !

Let's hope it doesn't effect the victim too I think you forgot to say.

Maybe I've got more faith in the compassion of my fellow man, but I think that's a given Cairnsman.

However this is a Saints footy forum and I don't think people are being disrespectful of the victim by simply commenting on the possible effects of the case on our players and our club.

I agree Doc but as you well know some football followers need reminding that in some circumstances there is more to consider than just football. It just helps to keep threads like this balanced and considerate of the people involved.

We should be prepared to exercise compassion on both sides. Nobody has been found guilty and nobody proven innocent at this time. It's no fun either feeling you have been raped or being accused of rape.

However reading the posts of the time, the forum majority has judged the accused guilty and executed him.

The accused faces a jury of his peers who will decide his fate based on evidence submitted. Let's leave it there.

[Con Gorozidis]

Does that court case happen this week ? if so , apart from gram who else will have to be there ?

I wonder if they will call on evidence from Mr 17-23 drinks.

[Eastern]

Does that court case happen this week ? if so , apart from gram who else will have to be there ?

I wonder if they will call on evidence from Mr 17-23 drinks.

Calling on him to give evidence is one thing

Accepting his testimony could be be another !!

[dragit]

I get the feeling that the evidence from our players won't be the determining factor, in the end, it sounds like none of our players were even in the apartment at the time, the biggest component is what happened in a bedroom which only 2 people were in at the time.
Our players can comment on how the girl was afterwards, give their assessment of what shape Lovett was in, but really I can't see how any of our players can provide evidence of the alleged incident if NONE of them were present at the time.
It does sound like a terrible event has occurred, but without actually knowing, our players have sided with girls version of events rather than Lovett's. Lovett's history will not help him, although it should not be a factor for a Court which must try someone on the evidence of this case only.

[Old Mate]

I get the feeling that the evidence from our players won't be the determining factor, in the end, it sounds like none of our players were even in the apartment at the time, the biggest component is what happened in a bedroom which only 2 people were in at the time.
Our players can comment on how the girl was afterwards, give their assessment of what shape Lovett was in, but really I can't see how any of our players can provide evidence of the alleged incident if NONE of them were present at the time.
It does sound like a terrible event has occurred, but without actually knowing, our players have sided with girls version of events rather than Lovett's. Lovett's history will not help him, although it should not be a factor for a Court which must try someone on the evidence of this case only.

It's all corroborative evidence. Some players may have been out with Lovett that night, some may have had conversations with him which may prove intent. Some may have had conversations with the girl before and after the incident. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. You need all the parts to make up the full story.

Your right, Lovett's history won't come into it, that's prejudicial evidence, which will not be admitted.

[dragit]

I get the feeling that the evidence from our players won't be the determining factor, in the end, it sounds like none of our players were even in the apartment at the time, the biggest component is what happened in a bedroom which only 2 people were in at the time.
Our players can comment on how the girl was afterwards, give their assessment of what shape Lovett was in, but really I can't see how any of our players can provide evidence of the alleged incident if NONE of them were present at the time.
It does sound like a terrible event has occurred, but without actually knowing, our players have sided with girls version of events rather than Lovett's. Lovett's history will not help him, although it should not be a factor for a Court which must try someone on the evidence of this case only.

It's all corroborative evidence. Some players may have been out with Lovett that night, some may have had conversations with him which may prove intent. Some may have had conversations with the girl before and after the incident. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. You need all the parts to make up the full story.

Your right, Lovett's history won't come into it, that's prejudicial evidence, which will not be admitted.

… and a lot of alcohol makes everything even hazier, how drunk do you need to be before your recollection of an event can be disregarded?
I know I've drunk to the point where whole sections of an evening are just not in my memory anymore.

[SainterK]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6092377290

he former St Kilda and Essendon player this morning pleaded not guilty in the County Court to two counts of rape.

A larger-than-usual panel of 8 women and 6 men will hear Lovett's case over two weeks.

Lovett, 28, is accused of raping a woman at the Port Melbourne apartment of teammates Jason Gram and Sam Fisher in December 2009.

The group had been drinking at the Royal Saxon Hotel in Richmond earlier in the night.

Judge Meryl Sexton told the jurors other witnesses would include Saints players such as Gram and Fisher, Andrew McQualter and Adam Schneider, while Captain Nick Riewoldt may also be mentioned.

But Judge Sexton warned the jury panel that anyone unable to put aside their football passions should be excused.

"I don't want anyone to sit on this jury who cannot distinguish between the importance of this criminal trial and the really unimportant fact that some of those people are footballers."

The trial will open later today.

[dragit]

The age says that the trial will go for 2.5 weeks, though I doubt that the players will be called up more than once…
I reckon it will be a relief for most of them to finally get this out of the way, it must have played on their minds a lot over the past 18 months.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/forme ... 1ha30.html

[Zac Attack]

Does that court case happen this week ? if so , apart from gram who else will have to be there ?

I wonder if they will call on evidence from Mr 17-23 drinks.

Schnieder does not come across as the smartest of persons....

I wonder if he remembers how many sitters he missed in the 09 GF

[GrumpyOne]

As they will be on oath, I wonder how much insight we will get into the life of an AFL Footballer during the trial?

[Spinner]

Can anyone watch the court case? Tried looking on the net hub had no luck.