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Gardi gone?
Only lasted to half time at Sandy.... soreness was the official reason.
Can't see him getting back now.
Can't see him getting back now.
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Re: Gardi gone?
First game back after a long time off. Give him some time.GrumpyOne wrote:Only lasted to half time at Sandy.... soreness was the official reason.
Can't see him getting back now.
In saying that, I'd prefer McEvoy to continue as the number 1 ruck for the rest of the season.
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Re: Gardi gone?
Not even on the bench!!!Saintersss wrote:First game back after a long time off. Give him some time.GrumpyOne wrote:Only lasted to half time at Sandy.... soreness was the official reason.
Can't see him getting back now.
In saying that, I'd prefer McEvoy to continue as the number 1 ruck for the rest of the season.
At his age, he has not got the time.
Retire him.
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I only saw the first quarter on tele, but Gardi seemed to be moving reasonably well when on the ground.
If he came off at half time with "soreness," it's not a good sign. In playing conditions he would have had to put full pressure on the knee and hammy. If the knee has blown up with fluid, or the hammy is tight, his longer term chances don't look good.
Next week will tell. If he can't get up for next week's Sandy match, he is probably gone, which will be very sad to see.![Sad :(](./images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
If he came off at half time with "soreness," it's not a good sign. In playing conditions he would have had to put full pressure on the knee and hammy. If the knee has blown up with fluid, or the hammy is tight, his longer term chances don't look good.
Next week will tell. If he can't get up for next week's Sandy match, he is probably gone, which will be very sad to see.
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Re: Gardi gone?
he's not a horse.GrumpyOne wrote:Not even on the bench!!!Saintersss wrote:First game back after a long time off. Give him some time.GrumpyOne wrote:Only lasted to half time at Sandy.... soreness was the official reason.
Can't see him getting back now.
In saying that, I'd prefer McEvoy to continue as the number 1 ruck for the rest of the season.
At his age, he has not got the time.
Retire him.
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I love what Gards has done for St Kilda, but I think his injury has fast-tracked the development of our number one ruckman for the next 10 years. Ideally we'd have a second ruckman who can be damaging up forward, but Gardiner's lack of agility means that he would be a liability in the forward line and it's not worth playing him for 40 minutes in the ruck. It seems his body will keep breaking down if he keeps going, but I really don't think he's a necessary part of the team anymore.
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He might have only played half a game on purpose?? It happens all the time, plays a half this week, 3 quarters next, full game the week after, then is ready for a recall after that.
He hasnt played a competive match in 9 months, at least give the guy the next 8 weeks before sending him to scrap heap.
He hasnt played a competive match in 9 months, at least give the guy the next 8 weeks before sending him to scrap heap.
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Re: Gardi gone?
Why?GrumpyOne wrote:Only lasted to half time at Sandy.... soreness was the official reason.
Can't see him getting back now.
First game back since last year. I would imagine he would never have been slated to have played a full game as they ease him back.
Now he may or may not come back...but I would not make call either way based on purely today.
I would imagine the plan is to have him back at his best for the finals....if we make it.....if for no other reason that you do not want to have to rely solely on Ben as he may get injured, suspended etc....and ni one else is good enough at the saints to play No 1 ruck besides these two.
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I'm not sure about that hypothetcial. It was almost as though his injury spurred on the second half fight back of GF1.perfectionist wrote:If only his hammy had held out in GF1, who knows, everything could have worked out well and he would now be enjoying the hard work he put into his rehab. Of course, we would be enjoying it too. But, in an all too familiar Saints story, it was not to be.
Of course, that is all history now.
Whether or not he will pull on a St.Kilda guernsey again remains to be seen.
Unfortunately, he is running out of time.
I guess we can only keep our fingers crossed for him.
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I can't agree that Michael Gardiner getting injured helped us in any way at all. I suggest you look at round 13, 2009 to see the value of such a player in the last minutes of a game that is close.Sainternist wrote:I'm not sure about that hypothetcial. It was almost as though his injury spurred on the second half fight back of GF1....perfectionist wrote:If only his hammy had held out in GF1, who knows, everything could have worked out well and he would now be enjoying the hard work he put into his rehab. Of course, we would be enjoying it too. But, in an all too familiar Saints story, it was not to be.
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It is Fing 2011, move on!!!perfectionist wrote:I can't agree that Michael Gardiner getting injured helped us in any way at all. I suggest you look at round 13, 2009 to see the value of such a player in the last minutes of a game that is close.Sainternist wrote:I'm not sure about that hypothetcial. It was almost as though his injury spurred on the second half fight back of GF1....perfectionist wrote:If only his hammy had held out in GF1, who knows, everything could have worked out well and he would now be enjoying the hard work he put into his rehab. Of course, we would be enjoying it too. But, in an all too familiar Saints story, it was not to be.
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No, I'm not disputing the value of him as a player. What I'm saying is that, in GF1 after he left, the players almost seemed even more detirmined to fight back. Jason Blake replaced him in the ruck and showed some real mettle.perfectionist wrote:I can't agree that Michael Gardiner getting injured helped us in any way at all. I suggest you look at round 13, 2009 to see the value of such a player in the last minutes of a game that is close.Sainternist wrote:I'm not sure about that hypothetcial. It was almost as though his injury spurred on the second half fight back of GF1....perfectionist wrote:If only his hammy had held out in GF1, who knows, everything could have worked out well and he would now be enjoying the hard work he put into his rehab. Of course, we would be enjoying it too. But, in an all too familiar Saints story, it was not to be.
Gardi was quite possibly our best player in the Preliminary Final the week before. We have missed his stability and experience enormously. Yes, Round 13, 2009 was incredible. I think it was also his birthday. What a way to celebrate it, if it was.
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ahh...finally a comment on gardy that i can relate to.....of course he was only going to play half a game....some on here recognise that...whilst others...St Chris wrote:He might have only played half a game on purpose?? It happens all the time, plays a half this week, 3 quarters next, full game the week after, then is ready for a recall after that.
He hasnt played a competive match in 9 months, at least give the guy the next 8 weeks before sending him to scrap heap.
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I agree. This could be quite possible. No point in risking an important player coming back from injury to only injure themselves again in the VFL.stinger wrote:ahh...finally a comment on gardy that i can realate too.....of course he was only going to play half a game....St Chris wrote:He might have only played half a game on purpose?? It happens all the time, plays a half this week, 3 quarters next, full game the week after, then is ready for a recall after that.
He hasnt played a competive match in 9 months, at least give the guy the next 8 weeks before sending him to scrap heap.
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Jeezus guys he's 32 not 82 and he's just playing his first game after a big lay off. Anyone would think he only has a few days to live.
He could provide us with some much needed first use if he can build over the next 4 weeks - we are still a finals chance despite the prophets of doom on here.
He could provide us with some much needed first use if he can build over the next 4 weeks - we are still a finals chance despite the prophets of doom on here.
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If people bothered to read the SHS this morning. I know I know The Herald Sun is a rag, blah blah blah - BUT Gardi is interviewed about his game yesterday. Reckons he only ever intended to play a half and was rapt with how he got through. Admitted that he is still a few weeks away from playing AFL, but felt NO soreness in his knees or hamstrings and he thought he moved really well.stinger wrote:ahh...finally a comment on gardy that i can relate to.....of course he was only going to play half a game....some on here recognise that...whilst others...St Chris wrote:He might have only played half a game on purpose?? It happens all the time, plays a half this week, 3 quarters next, full game the week after, then is ready for a recall after that.
He hasnt played a competive match in 9 months, at least give the guy the next 8 weeks before sending him to scrap heap.
He got changed at half time as per the plan and watched the 2nd half from the grandstand. Now if he was injured, I would have thought that he would have been receiving treatment for his supposed injuries instead of watching the game from the grandstand.......
32 with a history of knee, ankle, hamstring problems......his body is about 50
He runs like a robot.....
If we want a 32 bloke who has played 80 games in the last 9 years to come in and make a positive impact.....
Only stifle mcevoy......
Would we drop mcevoy if he comes in???
What position would he play if we didnt drop ben???
Perhaps limit rotations off the bench, or play him as an ineffective ff
Or hurt ben's development as a ruckmen by playi g him at ff, like other clubs have done with clarke, ryder....etc
He runs like a robot.....
If we want a 32 bloke who has played 80 games in the last 9 years to come in and make a positive impact.....
Only stifle mcevoy......
Would we drop mcevoy if he comes in???
What position would he play if we didnt drop ben???
Perhaps limit rotations off the bench, or play him as an ineffective ff
Or hurt ben's development as a ruckmen by playi g him at ff, like other clubs have done with clarke, ryder....etc