Beat Riewoldt, beat St Kilda
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Beat Riewoldt, beat St Kilda
'Beat Riewoldt, beat St Kilda' is the theory, and it's a good one.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... z1Qoopb3cG
Like most here I cant stand Robert Walls but was wondering what your thoughts were on his suggestion to play Riewoldt in the midfield a la Pavlich ...
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... z1Qoopb3cG
Like most here I cant stand Robert Walls but was wondering what your thoughts were on his suggestion to play Riewoldt in the midfield a la Pavlich ...
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Lyon takes no risks, and has been slow to move Roo out of CHF, and as a result Roo has lost confidence. I hope RL uses a bit more imagination in future, rather than playing it safe to the point of stagnation. Walls has stated the bleedin' obvious, and he himself was a very handy CHF who knows how important getting that position to work properly is.
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It would be a good theory... if it had any basis in reality.
Riewoldt 1 goal or less in loss/draw: 5 from 8
Riewoldt 1 goal or less in wins: 2 from 4
The real story is that Walls wanted to obscure the premise for an article he was so keen to write that he didn't stop to think through or research his straw man.
Riewoldt 1 goal or less in loss/draw: 5 from 8
Riewoldt 1 goal or less in wins: 2 from 4
The real story is that Walls wanted to obscure the premise for an article he was so keen to write that he didn't stop to think through or research his straw man.
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More or less my thoughts.InkerSaint wrote:It would be a good theory... if it had any basis in reality.
Riewoldt 1 goal or less in loss/draw: 5 from 8
Riewoldt 1 goal or less in wins: 2 from 4
The real story is that Walls wanted to obscure the premise for an article he was so keen to write that he didn't stop to think through or research his straw man.
Would have had some relevance for about 2 weeks last year, but i thought it was pretty well disproved as we finished top 2 last year?
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Ross summed it up pretty well in his interview with Triple M after the Geelong game....
His point was, we've got really good midfielders already, but lack key forwards. So why would you move the only one we've got into the midfield, just so the individual feels better about themselves, rather than what is best for the team.
So what if Roo has 5 opponents hanging off him??. We've got to make sure we kick it to the 4 other blokes with no match-up.
That our problem, we kick and hope Roo will make the kick look good. We've played our best footy when we're going to guys who aren't Riewoldt.
His point was, we've got really good midfielders already, but lack key forwards. So why would you move the only one we've got into the midfield, just so the individual feels better about themselves, rather than what is best for the team.
So what if Roo has 5 opponents hanging off him??. We've got to make sure we kick it to the 4 other blokes with no match-up.
That our problem, we kick and hope Roo will make the kick look good. We've played our best footy when we're going to guys who aren't Riewoldt.
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Exactly.St Chris wrote:Ross summed it up pretty well in his interview with Triple M after the Geelong game....
His point was, we've got really good midfielders already, but lack key forwards. So why would you move the only one we've got into the midfield, just so the individual feels better about themselves, rather than what is best for the team.
So what if Roo has 5 opponents hanging off him??. We've got to make sure we kick it to the 4 other blokes with no match-up.
That our problem, we kick and hope Roo will make the kick look good. We've played our best footy when we're going to guys who aren't Reiwoldt.
I hope the posters bemoaning the lack of a second marking target up forward aren't the same ones suggesting we move Roo to the wing, midfield or CHB
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If we have "real god midfielders" who continue to kick the ball to a fwd with 5 on him when the rest of the fwds are free....do we really have "really good mids?"St Chris wrote:Ross summed it up pretty well in his interview with Triple M after the Geelong game....
His point was, we've got really good midfielders already, but lack key forwards. So why would you move the only one we've got into the midfield, just so the individual feels better about themselves, rather than what is best for the team.
So what if Roo has 5 opponents hanging off him??. We've got to make sure we kick it to the 4 other blokes with no match-up.
That our problem, we kick and hope Roo will make the kick look good. We've played our best footy when we're going to guys who aren't Reiwoldt.
And lets not go near their disposal..
I think with Dal/Goddard in the back half....we over estimate our "real good midfield" - the loss of Hayes has taught us that.
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If reckon Ross is overrating our midfield without Lenny. Haven't we been flogged in clearances contested possessions for most of the year.St Chris wrote:Ross summed it up pretty well in his interview with Triple M after the Geelong game....
His point was, we've got really good midfielders already, but lack key forwards. So why would you move the only one we've got into the midfield, just so the individual feels better about themselves, rather than what is best for the team.
So what if Roo has 5 opponents hanging off him??. We've got to make sure we kick it to the 4 other blokes with no match-up.
That our problem, we kick and hope Roo will make the kick look good. We've played our best footy when we're going to guys who aren't Riewoldt.
Just playing devils advocate. I actually agree that moving Riewoldt out of position is not the way to go. He's good enough to work his way out of a form slump. Just need someone else to stand up. Milne has been a bit down the last 2-3 weeks.
Dr Spaceman wrote:Because that's probably what Robert wrote, and what he writes must be respected because he was a very good playernoreason41 wrote:How does something so simple as Hawthorn kicking 33goals against Essendon go to press?
but a sniper on the field and a c*** of a bloke off it......
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IMO, play Roo closer to goal.
If the opposition play numbers on him, it will then give us the advantage further up the ground. If they leave him one on one we will benefit too.
As Walls has pointed out the rotations on Roo has reduced his impact. Add to this that defenders no play on him the "Max" way...and you have two reasons why Roo is having less impact. The third is just simply being out of form.
On the tag-teaming of Roo, I am reminded of Banger. He used to out gut run his opponents, and then late in the game just dominate. Heaver midfield rotations lessened that impact. The same as Roo.
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If the opposition play numbers on him, it will then give us the advantage further up the ground. If they leave him one on one we will benefit too.
As Walls has pointed out the rotations on Roo has reduced his impact. Add to this that defenders no play on him the "Max" way...and you have two reasons why Roo is having less impact. The third is just simply being out of form.
On the tag-teaming of Roo, I am reminded of Banger. He used to out gut run his opponents, and then late in the game just dominate. Heaver midfield rotations lessened that impact. The same as Roo.
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Better forwards, providing more options and mids who kick to the "best option" will alleviate a lot of pressure off Rooey.
You only have to get a couple of other forwards getting some early goals, to throw the opposition backline into confusion. Of course "delivery" is the key ingredient to opening up the options.
You only have to get a couple of other forwards getting some early goals, to throw the opposition backline into confusion. Of course "delivery" is the key ingredient to opening up the options.
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Its not just rotating opponents on him a lot has to do with giving no space because of the zone. Riewoldt has constant company now even in his lead spots.saintsRrising wrote:IMO, play Roo closer to goal.
If the opposition play numbers on him, it will then give us the advantage further up the ground. If they leave him one on one we will benefit too.
As Walls has pointed out the rotations on Roo has reduced his impact. Add to this that defenders no play on him the "Max" way...and you have two reasons why Roo is having less impact. The third is just simply being out of form.
On the tag-teaming of Roo, I am reminded of Banger. He used to out gut run his opponents, and then late in the game just dominate. Heaver midfield rotations lessened that impact. The same as Roo.
Nothing stays the same in footy. You have to keep evolving, or you fall by the wayside.
Im not convinced leaving Riewoldt close to goal is the answer. Nick Riewoldt in 10 yrs has never been a great stand and deliver contested mark aka Dawes/Cloke. He's a lead up fwd with no space.
If mids are continuously kicking the ball to him then 1 sure way to stop that is to take him out of fwd 50 more. few weeks back Riewoldt had one of his best games of the year with 30 odd touches and 3 goals - free him up let him roam some more and force this side to find other avenues to goal OR to take the shot themselves.
Ofcourse there will be times Roo still goes fwd.....but geez.....lets make it less predictable...
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Agree with the sentiment it is silly to play roo on the wing.
He needs to take marks and convert to goals as a forward. I have been waiting week after week to see roo slot in those goals and to start to believe again. How sweet it will be if it starts to come together for him again. Especially at this time of the year when we are basically a write off.
He needs to take marks and convert to goals as a forward. I have been waiting week after week to see roo slot in those goals and to start to believe again. How sweet it will be if it starts to come together for him again. Especially at this time of the year when we are basically a write off.
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Why continue to have a 1 dimensional fwd line?ralphsmith wrote:Agree with the sentiment it is silly to play roo on the wing.
He needs to take marks and convert to goals as a forward. I have been waiting week after week to see roo slot in those goals and to start to believe again. How sweet it will be if it starts to come together for him again. Especially at this time of the year when we are basically a write off.
Our mids STILL kick the ball to him EVERY time....
Collingwood have multiple options to goal - we need to learn this.
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Trouble is, unless we pick some other key marking forwards, putting Roo on the wing will probably lead to a no dimensional forward lineTeflon wrote:Why continue to have a 1 dimensional fwd line?ralphsmith wrote:Agree with the sentiment it is silly to play roo on the wing.
He needs to take marks and convert to goals as a forward. I have been waiting week after week to see roo slot in those goals and to start to believe again. How sweet it will be if it starts to come together for him again. Especially at this time of the year when we are basically a write off.
Our mids STILL kick the ball to him EVERY time....
Collingwood have multiple options to goal - we need to learn this.
If we go with 6 mid to small forwards and keep bringing it in haphazardly, the opposition defenders will just pick us off all day (or night)!
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I agree we need to draft more, better forwards to take some of the burden off riewoldt.Teflon wrote:Why continue to have a 1 dimensional fwd line?ralphsmith wrote:Agree with the sentiment it is silly to play roo on the wing.
He needs to take marks and convert to goals as a forward. I have been waiting week after week to see roo slot in those goals and to start to believe again. How sweet it will be if it starts to come together for him again. Especially at this time of the year when we are basically a write off.
Our mids STILL kick the ball to him EVERY time....
Collingwood have multiple options to goal - we need to learn this.
but even when riewoldt has marked with a very gettable set shot, he has sprayed. I just hope he starts kicking themm when he has the chance.
This is all i want to see in the short term. There is not much else to do for season 2010. Milne is great, but enigmatic. Schneider is in lala land at the moment. Kosi...never there. Polo is crap. Gamble is average.
Need another aaron hamil or dawes type of forward.