Your thoughts on Faz

[Lenny = legend]

I'm curious to see what people think of Farren Ray.

IMO he's a very talented footballer (ie marks strongly, generally makes good decisions and has good foot skills & pace) but goes missing most weeks. I know he's been ill recently but I'm referring to the last year or so. I tend to forget he's playing, which is strange for someone who plays mostly as an outside midfielder. Similarly, he is relatively rarely mentioned on here.

Is he not given enough opportunity to impose himself on games or doesn't he work hard enough to get more of the ball?

[sainter#4]

problem with ray is that he doesnt will himself to contests to get enough of the ball.

and that he isnt damaging often enough with it, whether its because he takes too long to dispose of it or because often he doesnt take the initiative to create play rather dish it to someone else and let them be responsible for it

[saintjake]

problem with ray is that he doesnt will himself to contests to get enough of the ball.

and that he isnt damaging often enough with it, whether its because he takes too long to dispose of it or because often he doesnt take the initiative to create play rather dish it to someone else and let them be responsible for it

How can you say he doesnt "will" himself to contests. thats like assuming he goes out there not caring if they win or lose

[Dr Spaceman]

I'm curious to see what people think of Farren Ray.

IMO he's a very talented footballer (ie marks strongly, generally makes good decisions and has good foot skills & pace) but goes missing most weeks. I know he's been ill recently but I'm referring to the last year or so. I tend to forget he's playing, which is strange for someone who plays mostly as an outside midfielder. Similarly, he is relatively rarely mentioned on here.

Is he not given enough opportunity to impose himself on games or doesn't he work hard enough to get more of the ball?

After missing the last two games through illness he certainly looked pretty flat to me today.

[ace]

I'm curious to see what people think of Farren Ray.

IMO he's a very talented footballer (ie marks strongly, generally makes good decisions and has good foot skills & pace) but goes missing most weeks. I know he's been ill recently but I'm referring to the last year or so. I tend to forget he's playing, which is strange for someone who plays mostly as an outside midfielder. Similarly, he is relatively rarely mentioned on here.

Is he not given enough opportunity to impose himself on games or doesn't he work hard enough to get more of the ball?

After missing the last two games through illness he certainly looked pretty flat to me today.

Too much planking.

[Dr Spaceman]

I'm curious to see what people think of Farren Ray.

IMO he's a very talented footballer (ie marks strongly, generally makes good decisions and has good foot skills & pace) but goes missing most weeks. I know he's been ill recently but I'm referring to the last year or so. I tend to forget he's playing, which is strange for someone who plays mostly as an outside midfielder. Similarly, he is relatively rarely mentioned on here.

Is he not given enough opportunity to impose himself on games or doesn't he work hard enough to get more of the ball?

After missing the last two games through illness he certainly looked pretty flat to me today.

Too much planking.

[dcstkfc]

He was well down today. Disappointing. Illness can't be considered an excuse.

[Dr Spaceman]

He was well down today. Disappointing. Illness can't be considered an excuse.

No it can't be an excuse, but it could be a reason.

Presumably he breezed through training though.

[mad saint guy]

He's ok. Not great, but a good bottom six player to have. Unfortunately we have many more than 6 players worse than him.

[Lenny = legend]

He seems like the type that needs a permanent role and responsibility to thrive.

I like him on a wing and I'd just encourage him to take the game on more.

[goddardisgod]

Plays outside, but would probably be better suited to a tagging role.

Decent pace, good dual sided kick, and good contested Mark.

Looked flat today, even in the first quarter (rushed back?)

Humility seems to be the biggest problem. His approach seems to be that someone better could be doing this, rather than someone like Montagna, who's pretty much thinking I'm the best man for the job, even when he's not.

Both approaches have drawbacks. Ray misses opportunities that others would snap up, while Joey sees things that aren't there. Fisher's probably the best in our team at combining conservatism with attack.

[plugger66]

3 weeks ago he was a god in some eyes and now he is no good at all. I love it when people have a go at reporters for changing their mind weekly. We do it more than them as probably people from every club do. The point is he was never a star and never no good. He just plays well sometimes and bad other times which will always make him an average footballer. Someone even had him as a vice captain 3 games ago.

One week Kosi thread saying great player, next week hack. One week Ben has arrived, next week hack.

[Spinner]

Average player who goes missing in big games.

Fantastic mark. Poor kick.

[spert]

Probably lacked a bit of energy after pneumonia, but as an onballer, like most of our mids and onballers in recent history, they don't play deep enough in the forward line or kick enough goals

[Thinline]

Goes okay, Faz.

Pneumonia can't help.

[skeptic]

Ray has always been the most overrated player on this forum.

Rarely has good games in big games

Very inconsistent

Good games are too far apart and too few

People really tend to dwell on the few good things he does a game

[SinCitySaint]

Good ordinary player and the sort of player that all sides need. Not a match winner but will play to the best of his abilities and has reasonable skills to go with it. Far from our worst player.