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I can't help but think we (supporters) are panicking and perhaps jumping at shadows.
If we can be competitive against Geelong, Richmond and Carlton whilst being as horribly out of form and reliant on missing players as we are - then perhaps things aren't that bad.
Mid to long term I mean. Obviously short term we're screwed as this season is a third gone already.
But Roo has been ordinary this year, ditto BJ, and our skill level has been horrible. Lenny isn't even playing, we don't have a ruckman at all, we've been belted in clearances, tackles, contested posession and pretty much every important stat! And when we do get the pill forward, we can't kick straight.
But....we're incredibly close to being 4-2 (could even clutch a bit and say we should have beaten Adelaide and be 5-1), and we've blooded 3 decent looking youngsters.
So is the future (late this year, next year and beyond) as bleak and ugly as everyone thinks?
I'm not so sure.
I reckon the glass is half full.
If we can be competitive against Geelong, Richmond and Carlton whilst being as horribly out of form and reliant on missing players as we are - then perhaps things aren't that bad.
Mid to long term I mean. Obviously short term we're screwed as this season is a third gone already.
But Roo has been ordinary this year, ditto BJ, and our skill level has been horrible. Lenny isn't even playing, we don't have a ruckman at all, we've been belted in clearances, tackles, contested posession and pretty much every important stat! And when we do get the pill forward, we can't kick straight.
But....we're incredibly close to being 4-2 (could even clutch a bit and say we should have beaten Adelaide and be 5-1), and we've blooded 3 decent looking youngsters.
So is the future (late this year, next year and beyond) as bleak and ugly as everyone thinks?
I'm not so sure.
I reckon the glass is half full.
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Re: Half Full
i was arguing along similar lines to a couple of carscum supporters at my gym this morning....Johnny Member wrote:I can't help but think we (supporters) are panicking and perhaps jumping at shadows.
If we can be competitive against Geelong, Richmond and Carlton whilst being as horribly out of form and reliant on missing players as we are - then perhaps things aren't that bad.
Mid to long term I mean. Obviously short term we're screwed as this season is a third gone already.
But Roo has been ordinary this year, ditto BJ, and our skill level has been horrible. Lenny isn't even playing, we don't have a ruckman at all, we've been belted in clearances, tackles, contested posession and pretty much every important stat! And when we do get the pill forward, we can't kick straight.
But....we're incredibly close to being 4-2 (could even clutch a bit and say we should have beaten Adelaide and be 5-1), and we've blooded 3 decent looking youngsters.
So is the future (late this year, next year and beyond) as bleak and ugly as everyone thinks?
I'm not so sure.
I reckon the glass is half full.
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So how are we off for tall backs/forwards rucks midfielders quick forwardsBernard Shakey wrote:The future is not bleak at all. This year's gone, baring a miracle, but plenty to look forward to next year. Some good kids coming through this year and the core of experienced guns will still be there and Lenny will be back.
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Re: Half Full
Thanks Harf,Johnny Member wrote:I can't help but think we (supporters) are panicking and perhaps jumping at shadows.
If we can be competitive against Geelong, Richmond and Carlton whilst being as horribly out of form and reliant on missing players as we are - then perhaps things aren't that bad.
Mid to long term I mean. Obviously short term we're screwed as this season is a third gone already.
But Roo has been ordinary this year, ditto BJ, and our skill level has been horrible. Lenny isn't even playing, we don't have a ruckman at all, we've been belted in clearances, tackles, contested posession and pretty much every important stat! And when we do get the pill forward, we can't kick straight.
But....we're incredibly close to being 4-2 (could even clutch a bit and say we should have beaten Adelaide and be 5-1), and we've blooded 3 decent looking youngsters.
So is the future (late this year, next year and beyond) as bleak and ugly as everyone thinks?
I'm not so sure.
I reckon the glass is half full.
I agree, IMO we are still a chance to do some damage in September.
All the external expectations are gone, we can go on our merry way, win 12 H & A games and be primed for the finals.
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My thinking too.Bernard Shakey wrote:The future is not bleak at all. This year's gone, baring a miracle, but plenty to look forward to next year. Some good kids coming through this year and the core of experienced guns will still be there and Lenny will be back.
It may sound trite, but like it or not this is shaping as a season we needed to have...
"The inches we need are everywhere around us. They're in every break in the game. Every minute, every second. On this team we fight for that inch. On this team we tear ourselves and everyone around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch. Because we know when we add up all those inches that's gonna make the f***in' difference between winning and losing! Between living and dying!'
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Absolutely! We are far from gone. Sure, we can all exhale on the idea of winning a flag this year, but I feel the team may have just started to turn the corner in finding some form.
We just need the obvious two players to wake from their slumber and we'll be a good show against most teams in the comp.
Next year should bring plenty of promise. RL will mastermind a new startegy, we'll trim the deadwood from the list and get some useful acqiusitions to boot.
Things are pretty far from looking grim, IMO.
We just need the obvious two players to wake from their slumber and we'll be a good show against most teams in the comp.
Next year should bring plenty of promise. RL will mastermind a new startegy, we'll trim the deadwood from the list and get some useful acqiusitions to boot.
Things are pretty far from looking grim, IMO.
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Ruck is the only major problem I see. Plenty of youngsters eager to take up the other roles.BallBanger wrote:So how are we off for tall backs/forwards rucks midfielders quick forwardsBernard Shakey wrote:The future is not bleak at all. This year's gone, baring a miracle, but plenty to look forward to next year. Some good kids coming through this year and the core of experienced guns will still be there and Lenny will be back.
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I think he has already. Well, at least I think he's tinkered with what we already had. I believe this is the main reason for our awkward looking play.Sainternist wrote:Next year should bring plenty of promise. RL will mastermind a new startegy, we'll trim the deadwood from the list and get some useful acqiusitions to boot.
I'd like to think that within a month or so, we may start to see it working more smoothly and more consistently.
Combine that with the other things I mentioned in the OP, and this group may still have a pulse after all!
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The five best and worst syllables in the world.SainterK wrote:You don't kiss the eight goodbye until it's mathematically impossible.
I reckon the boys would of kissed top four goodbye in 2008
Best because they make me believe that we still have a chance to turn the season around which means I don't have to just give up all hope on 2011
Worst for the same reason.
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I don't care about the eight, premiership is the only thing, big seal if you just make the 8, I'm sure the Bulldogs are happy because they made the eight the last few years.
Our chance at a premiership for this year is gone, so spend the rest of it gearing up for a real crack at it next year, give us a real chance to see who is worth keeping and who isn't.
I just don't want to make the eight, that's simply not good enough anymore.
Funny thing though, if we had won last year, we wouldn't be so depressed about this season so far, we would all be saying who cares we won the damn thing last year.
Our chance at a premiership for this year is gone, so spend the rest of it gearing up for a real crack at it next year, give us a real chance to see who is worth keeping and who isn't.
I just don't want to make the eight, that's simply not good enough anymore.
Funny thing though, if we had won last year, we wouldn't be so depressed about this season so far, we would all be saying who cares we won the damn thing last year.
Except for the sanity nothing much has been lost.
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Not if Stanley actually does what was planned for.Bernard Shakey wrote:Ruck is the only major problem I see. Plenty of youngsters eager to take up the other roles.BallBanger wrote:So how are we off for tall backs/forwards rucks midfielders quick forwardsBernard Shakey wrote:The future is not bleak at all. This year's gone, baring a miracle, but plenty to look forward to next year. Some good kids coming through this year and the core of experienced guns will still be there and Lenny will be back.
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I agree with that 100%Bernard Shakey wrote:The future is not bleak at all. This year's gone, baring a miracle, but plenty to look forward to next year. Some good kids coming through this year and the core of experienced guns will still be there and Lenny will be back.
Kinda getting resigned to the fact that we may just be reloading this year.
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i think midfield in and unders are light on, especially ones who can score.Bernard Shakey wrote: Ruck is the only major problem I see. Plenty of youngsters eager to take up the other roles.
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The biggest problem I see is keeping the draft picks to pick up good kids while snaring a quality ruck man at the same time. Maybe we could get an older ruck man at a cheaper price but it's our biggest deficiency that must be addressed before next year. I can't see Stanley or McEvoy stepping up to the degree required to win a flag in 2012.
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fast runners like a garlett, would be helpful. Milne is getting older, and we need to begin to replace him.widereceiver wrote:i think midfield in and unders are light on, especially ones who can score.Bernard Shakey wrote: Ruck is the only major problem I see. Plenty of youngsters eager to take up the other roles.