Raph's CLANGER

Enrico_Misso · Tue 10 May 2011 12:31am

How long had he been on the ground?
One minute.
Loses sight of the ball
Turnover

iwantmeseats · Tue 10 May 2011 12:33am

surprise surprise. As predictable as my morning piss, a raph critical turnover....meh.

georgie girl · Tue 10 May 2011 12:33am

There were so many clangers tonight by so many players, why highlight just the one?!

iwantmeseats · Tue 10 May 2011 12:34am

georgie girl wrote:There were so many clangers tonight by so many players, why highlight just the one?!

Yep, thats the typical response to a raph critique. Look ,he makes continual critical turnovers with the odd ridiculous free given away. I mean, he has no place in the future side. He has had EIGHT years to get it right. I do actually love him, but .....reality.

Munga · Post: # 1071670Post **Munga** » Tue 10 May 2011 12:35am

I'll paste my thoughts from another thread:

Shouldn't play again for us, and would be great to get something for him if GWS are interested. Nice guy, but too many errors.
For his time on ground tonight he cost us three times. Minute left in third, Riewoldt to McEvoy for a shot on goal but Raph gets someone high when the blue didn't even have the ball, we don't get a shot at goal. Fast forward 40 seconds and Raph's in the back pocket giving a mark to Setanta. He turns his back on the mark and Setanta plays on improves the angle. Four minutes into the last he drops a CHEST mark which halts our forward thrust, less than a minutes later Setanta goals.

Here's hoping Lynch for Raph next week.

Bernard Shakey · Tue 10 May 2011 12:37am

Enrico-Misso starts a new post bagging Raph what a surprise?

SainterX · Post: # 1071676Post **SainterX** » Tue 10 May 2011 12:38am

Courage is one thing, Raph has that. But a little skill is needed as well to make the most of it.

I still feel sad that we gave up Goose and X for pretty much nothing yet kept Raph

wraiyth · Post: # 1071677Post **wraiyth** » Tue 10 May 2011 12:38am

iwantmeseats wrote:
georgie girl wrote:There were so many clangers tonight by so many players, why highlight just the one?!
Yep, thats the typical response to a raph critique. Look ,he makes continual critical turnovers with the odd ridiculous free given away. I mean, he has no place in the future side. He has had EIGHT years to get it right. I do actually love him, but .....reality.

The job of a sub is come on and make an immediate impact. He did that, just in the wrong way.

iwantmeseats · Tue 10 May 2011 12:39am

Goose was gone with injury. X, while a stand up human being and more talented than Raph, is just injury prone like his bro. They could get injured watching a DVD.

Sainternist · Tue 10 May 2011 12:54am

Gwilt dropping that sitter of a mark in the second quarter was another dreadful lapse in concentration which cost us another goal.

It'd be nice if the team could improve in that department. Good teams like Carlton will make you pay.

The Fireman · Tue 10 May 2011 12:57am

Bernard Shakey wrote:Enrico-Misso starts a new post bagging Raph what a surprise?

add me bernard.

Raph is a liability.

SainterK · Post: # 1071735Post **SainterK** » Tue 10 May 2011 1:01am

He wasn't good tonight.

Sub is just never is going to be his thing though, is a player who warms up in a game IMO, builds in confidence.

Not a good role for him.

Expect Winmar to be the sub next week.

Enrico_Misso · Tue 10 May 2011 1:03am

It's time we moved on.

Raph is NOT up to it.
Why do we continue to trot him out.

I'm pleased that we have Sipposs a go.

And I would far sooner we gave Simpkin or Lynch as run ahead of Raph.
Why?

Because when Raph makes critical errors that cost us the game (eg the Richmond game) you know that is just Raph and always will be Raph.
But at least if a new kid struggles, it is at least a game under their belt, and a learning experience that will ultimately improve them.
Raph is NOT going to improve.

BigMart · Post: # 1071767Post **BigMart** » Tue 10 May 2011 1:11am

Yes gwlt made a critical error......and also did 15 good things.....you can hack that ratio

savatage · Post: # 1071799Post **savatage** » Tue 10 May 2011 1:22am

Stop with the excuses - he has been given enough time to develop. I'd rather a youngster come in for him that makes mistakes through inexperience - at least their upside could potentially be far better.

I'd give his spot to a Simpkin or Lynch. He should stay in the 2's & help out the younger blokes with their development.

savatage · Post: # 1071801Post **savatage** » Tue 10 May 2011 1:23am

Enrico_Misso wrote:It's time we moved on.

Raph is NOT up to it.
Why do we continue to trot him out.

I'm pleased that we have Sipposs a go.

And I would far sooner we gave Simpkin or Lynch as run ahead of Raph.
Why?

Because when Raph makes critical errors that cost us the game (eg the Richmond game) you know that is just Raph and always will be Raph.
But at least if a new kid struggles, it is at least a game under their belt, and a learning experience that will ultimately improve them.
Raph is NOT going to improve.

I'm sorry for not reading your post before I posted mine -I pretty much said what you just said, at least we know we're on the same page!

Enrico_Misso · Tue 10 May 2011 1:28am

savatage wrote:I pretty much said what you just said, at least we know we're on the same page!

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I Love Peter Kiel · Tue 10 May 2011 2:20am

Yeah, why don't you drop the whole team? They're obviously not good enough.

Instead you'll all snipe and bag players who gave their all tonight...we should have won!

defacto · Post: # 1071863Post **defacto** » Tue 10 May 2011 3:07am

before you pay out on clarke. re-watch blakes game. he is the one that cost us tonight.

a highlights reel of f*** ups that gave carltank goals or cost us an opportunity at a certain goal.

Sainternist · Tue 10 May 2011 3:09am

defacto wrote:before you pay out on clarke. re-watch blakes game. he is the one that cost us tonight.

a highlights reel of f*** ups that gave carltank goals or cost us an opportunity at a certain goal.

what i wanna know is, was that free kick against blake which resulted into the walker mark then goal a legit free?

defacto · Post: # 1071868Post **defacto** » Tue 10 May 2011 3:16am

Sainternist wrote:
defacto wrote:before you pay out on clarke. re-watch blakes game. he is the one that cost us tonight.

a highlights reel of f*** ups that gave carltank goals or cost us an opportunity at a certain goal.
what i wanna know is, was that free kick against blake which resulted into the walker mark then goal a legit free?

dont know, but there were alot more than that.

the big one for me was blake going to ground in pursuit of betts. resulted in a betts goal. there were alot more.

LondonSaint · Tue 10 May 2011 6:49am

Can't be too upset with Raph... been on the list for 8 years... but is a dud.. not his fault he got picked in the first round... not his fault that his not a defender... not his fault the coach can't see that and plays him at every single possible chance...

Bigmal47 · Post: # 1071889Post **Bigmal47** » Tue 10 May 2011 8:48am

Dont knock Raph he is important for our future. If he continues to play we will certainly be eligible for priorority picks in the next two drafts.
We coukld actually get some players that could run out of sight on a dark night.
Besides if Ross didn't play him he may release those photo,s of him in a compromising position with a sheep.

Loyally Numbed · Tue 10 May 2011 8:48am

Munga wrote:
Here's hoping Lynch for Raph next week.

Why wait until next week.

Hang him now !

Legendary · Tue 10 May 2011 10:24am

Would not get drafted by another club if we delisted him.

I don't know a football supporter from another team in the AFL who thinks he is any good.

Find me a non-St Kilda supporter who believes R Clarke is useful in any way.

His performance was poor against Carlton.

He might do some good things, but he lacks the basic ability to make good decisions under pressure and that is critical at AFL level.