My St.Kilda team of the last 20 years

[stevie]

Picked this side the other week for something to do. Should be a good discussion filler for this week.

B - Max Hudghton Danny Frawley(vc) Austinn Jones

HB - Steven Baker Sam Fisher Brendon Goddard

C - Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar

HF - Leigh Montagna Nick Riewoldt(c) Aaron Hamill

F - Stephen Milne Tony Lockett Stewart Loewe

R - Peter Everitt
Robert Harvey(dvc)

R - Nathan Burke

I/C - Fraser Gehrig Jason Blake Barry Hall Andrew Thompson

Coach(s) - Stan Alves/Ross Lyon

[AnythingsPossibleSaints]

Without giving it too much thought:

B - Max Hudghton Danny Frawley Austinn Jones

HB - Sam Gilbert Sam Fisher Brendon Goddard

C - Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar

HF - Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Aaron Hamill

F - Stephen Milne Tony Lockett Fraser Gehrig

R - Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

I/C - Leigh Montagna Steven Baker Barry Hall Andrew Thompson

Best of the rest:

B- J Peckett J Shanahan J Cripps

HB- M Young R Morris J Blake

C- J Gram A Fletcher T Pekin

HF- J Smith J Koschitzke D Grant

F- C O'Brien J Heatley A Schneider

R- M Gardiner L Ball T Brown

I- M MaGuire R Keogh S Sziller C Jones

[goodie]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

[stinger]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

[plugger66]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

Yep. Great post.

[Dr Spaceman]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

Yep. Great post.

I'd also have Shanahan out, but simply because I don't rate him as one of our best 22 players of the past 20 years.

[desertsaint]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

shanahan in? over fisher?
replace o'brien and grant - throw in hall and ball and there you go!

[Saints43]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

Yep. Great post.

I'd also have Shanahan out, but simply because I don't rate him as one of our best 22 players of the past 20 years.

I'd have Shanahan out because he wanted a payrise for the 1998 season. And because he didn't knock Jarman out.

[Saints43]

B: Jones Hudghton Grant
HB: Goddard D.Wakelin S.Fisher
C: Gehrig Hayes Winmar
HF: Hall Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Burke
Int: Voss Dal Santo Ball Montagna

[Dan Warna]

Brett Voss and David Grant were the best small defenders of their time.

Grant often gave away 3 to 4 inches on his opposition player and was in the top 10 marks regularly, in an era before dicky back kicks and keepings off.

Voss and Grant saved St Kilda plenty of times with their interception marks.

Grant was ahead of his time in fitness, endurance, as well as a man of his era for courage and aggression.

I would argue that Ablett knocking out grant cost us MORE in 91 than burke who was yet to emerge as the class player he became.

Grant was killing the cats with his interception marking. With him out, the passage to Brownless was opened up IMO.

Noting in 91 we thrashed Hawthorn and WCE during the season.

I loved Grant, and would be surprised that so many have forgotten him

[Dan Warna]

B: B.Voss Frawley Grant
HB: Goddard Max H.S.Fisher
C: Winmar Hayes Jones
HF: Dal Santo Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Burke
Int: Ball Montagna Rocket Keogh Powell.


Voss and Grant were dominant in the air, and perfected the spoil when the mark was not on. Frawley was the steam locomotive that intimidated the opposition forwards.

Goddard and Fisher offer the run and Max the steel in the middle. Morris had 2 outstanding years, but Max was better over a decade.

Wings would be winmar and jones, both goal scoring runners, Jones defence was weak though.

Half forwards, I like Roo and Dal, both have massive tanks, I wonder if Roo and Locket would get in each others way though.

F, Hamill would play up the ground, I'd give him an arc to kill people in and not let him into the corridor which would be loewe's domain.

FF. Lockett with Milne at his feet, Obie was good for 2 seasons, Milne good for 200 games.

interchange would be all mids and smalls, Powell and Keogh to protect banger, ball, harvey, dal, Montagna etc. Powell was wiry and finished at 30, but he gave everything in his body to the team.

I think just outside would be baker, blake , peckett, and Andrew Thompson. Dean Rice I think just misses out, although winner of a flag with the Blues, and barker was gone in 89, would have pushed any of the HBF or BPs for a position witouth a doubt, could play forward as well.

Just no room for FG or Hall as our forward line is looking too big.

Both wakelins played their best footy elsewhere.

Would have liked to have slipped in Videovic as a back up ruck, but loewe would fill that role in his 30s for the saints.

[Saints43]

Both wakelins played their best footy elsewhere.

That's definitely the case with Shane but Darryl was a great CHB at St Kilda. Easily the best of the last 20 years

Remember the Stan Alves kick out routine: Kick-it-to-Darryl. It was so predictable yet he nearly always took the grab. Such a great competitor until the Timmy years when he visibly lost heart in the club. Was sad to watch him eventually stop chasing opposition players.

And want to back up your comments on David Grant. What a great player. Just stood on players heads to make up for his lack of height. Treated disgracefully by the club.

Voss is the swingman in my team. As brave a player as I've seen. I remember when we picked him up calling him 'ABOM' - Adopted Brother Of Michael. Remember him walking into the forward line against Cornes in the 2004 prelim and the commentators beinf bemused? The birth of the defensive forward I reckon.

[noob]

B: Grant Frawley Hudghton
HB: Jones Fisher Goddard
C: Winmar Burke Dal Santo
HF: Montagna Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Hayes
Int: Gehrig Ball Voss Hall

[plugger66]

B: Grant Frawley Hudghton
HB: Jones Fisher Goddard
C: Winmar Goddard Dal Santo
HF: Montagna Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill/Hall Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Hayes
Int: Gehrig Ball Voss Burke

Goddard is good but not that good.

[stinger]

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

Yep. Great post.

I'd also have Shanahan out, but simply because I don't rate him as one of our best 22 players of the past 20 years.

I'd have Shanahan out because he wanted a payrise for the 1998 season. And because he didn't knock Jarman out.

yep...a prick......him and smith were like rats deserting a sinking ship.....it was all down hill from there...mind you...the coach wasn't too enamoured by shanigans.....and i didn't ever want to see him wear the red white and black again...bit like guerra after that swans defeat in the prelim....


would not rate either of them....not in the best 50 to 100 to have played in the past 20 years in my opinion....

[BigMart]

Backs
Max hudghton.....200 games, best stopping defender in that time....
Danny Frawley.......240 games, strong, good leadership.....Best and fairest
Steven Baker..........200 games, best small stopper......Best and Fairest

Half Backs
David grant.......150 games, all australian
Sam Fisher........150 games, dual all australian, best and fairest
Austin Jones........230 games, dual all australian


Centres
Nicky winmar....230 games, dual all australian, dual best and fairest, leading goalkicker, michael tuck medal
Lenny hayes.......230 games, triple all australian, dual best and fairest, norm smith medallist, club captain
Nick Dal Santo.....190 games, dual all australian

Half forwards
Nick Riewoldt.......200 games, 4 times all australian, 5 times best and fairest,
League MVP, club captain, two leading goalkicker
Stewart Loewe......320 games, 3 times all australian, best and fairest, 2 times leading goalkicker, club Captain
Leigh Montagna.......140 games, dual all australian

Forwards
Fraser gehrig.......140 games, all australian, 5 times leading goalkicker, dual coleman medallist
Tony lockett.......180 games, three times all australian, 11 times leading, goalkicker, dual coleman medallist
Stephen Milne......220 games, 2 leading goalkicker

Followers
Peter everitt......190 games, dual all australian, best and fairest, leading goalkicker
Robert Harvey.....380 games, 8 times all australian, 4 times best and fairest, dual brownlow medallist, three ej whitten medalist, league MVP, club captain
Nathan Burke.....320 games, 4 times all australian, 3 best and fairest, club captain

Int
Brendon Goddard.......160 games, dual all australian
Andrew thompson........220 games, best and fairest
Justin Peckett.........230 games
Luke Ball..........160 games, best and Fairest

Missing out
Shanahan, rice, voss, morris, pekin, gram, young, d.wakelin, maguire, sziller, smith, lappin, heatley, hall, powell, hamill, gilbert, dawson, blake, gwilt, mccadam, guerra, schnieder, jones, ray

[Sainternist]

Michael Gardiner > Everitt

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

Yep. Great post.

yeah, it's hard not to scapegoat shaggs, but why did stan leave him on jarhead?

[stinger]

Backs
Max hudghton.....200 games, best stopping defender in that time....
Danny Frawley.......240 games, strong, good leadership.....Best and fairest
Steven Baker..........200 games, best small stopper......Best and Fairest

Half Backs
David grant.......150 games, all australian
Sam Fisher........150 games, dual all australian, best and fairest
Austin Jones........230 games, dual all australian


Centres
Nicky winmar....230 games, dual all australian, dual best and fairest, leading goalkicker, michael tuck medal
Lenny hayes.......230 games, triple all australian, dual best and fairest, norm smith medallist, club captain
Nick Dal Santo.....190 games, dual all australian

Half forwards
Nick Riewoldt.......200 games, 4 times all australian, 5 times best and fairest,
League MVP, club captain, two leading goalkicker
Stewart Loewe......320 games, 3 times all australian, best and fairest, 2 times leading goalkicker, club Captain
Leigh Montagna.......140 games, dual all australian

Forwards
Fraser gehrig.......140 games, all australian, 5 times leading goalkicker, dual coleman medallist
Tony lockett.......180 games, three times all australian, 11 times leading, goalkicker, dual coleman medallist
Stephen Milne......220 games, 2 leading goalkicker

Followers
Peter everitt......190 games, dual all australian, best and fairest, leading goalkicker
Robert Harvey.....380 games, 8 times all australian, 4 times best and fairest, dual brownlow medallist, three ej whitten medalist, league MVP, club captain
Nathan Burke.....320 games, 4 times all australian, 3 best and fairest, club captain

Int
Brendon Goddard.......160 games, dual all australian
Andrew thompson........220 games, best and fairest
Justin Peckett.........230 games
Luke Ball..........160 games, best and Fairest

Missing out
Shanahan, rice, voss, morris, pekin, gram, young, d.wakelin, maguire, sziller, smith, lappin, heatley, hall, powell, hamill, gilbert, dawson, blake, gwilt, mccadam, guerra, schnieder, jones, ray

awesome team.....i would swap frankie for sammy though ...to give us an extra bit of hardness...sammy is the best defensive forward the game has seen in the past 20 years...imho....

[Sainternist]

B: Grant Frawley Hudghton
HB: Jones Fisher Goddard
C: Winmar Goddard Dal Santo
HF: Montagna Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill/Hall Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Hayes
Int: Gehrig Ball Voss Burke

Goddard is good but not that good.

you wouldn't be saying that if we actually won that drawn grand final.

goddard is a brilliant player. would fit in this team on any given day. it's funny how people are writiing him off after his form has dipped at the start of the season. mark my words, he'll be back as soon as you can say "henry kissinger" and the media will be riding him as a brownlow favourite.

[stinger]

Michael Gardiner > Everitt

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

yeah, it's hard not to scapegoat shaggs, but why did stan leave him on jarhead?

i agree, shouldn't have...but he did...maybe they can share equally in the blame...

[True Blue Sainter]

B: Grant Frawley Hudghton
HB: Jones Fisher Goddard
C: Winmar Goddard Dal Santo
HF: Montagna Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill/Hall Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Hayes
Int: Gehrig Ball Voss Burke

Goddard is good but not that good.

you wouldn't be saying that if we actually won that drawn grand final.

goddard is a brilliant player. would fit in this team on any given day. it's funny how people are writiing him off after his form has dipped at the start of the season. mark my words, he'll be back as soon as you can say "henry kissinger" and the media will be riding him as a brownlow favourite.

He's not saying Goddard doesn't deserve to be there, but he's in that team at Centre and on a HBF.

[Dr Spaceman]

B: Grant Frawley Hudghton
HB: Jones Fisher Goddard
C: Winmar Goddard Dal Santo
HF: Montagna Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill/Hall Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Hayes
Int: Gehrig Ball Voss Burke

Goddard is good but not that good.

you wouldn't be saying that if we actually won that drawn grand final.

goddard is a brilliant player. would fit in this team on any given day. it's funny how people are writiing him off after his form has dipped at the start of the season. mark my words, he'll be back as soon as you can say "henry kissinger" and the media will be riding him as a brownlow favourite.

Maybe p66 is referring to the fact that Goddard is being asked to play in 2 positions in that team

[Sainternist]

Michael Gardiner > Everitt

Jamie Shanahan Max Hudghton Steven Baker
Austinn Jones Danny Frawley Brendon Goddard
Nick Dal Santo Lenny Hayes Nicky Winmar
Nick Riewoldt Stewart Loewe Stephen Milne
Aaron Hamill Tony Lockett Craig O'Brien

Peter Everitt Robert Harvey Nathan Burke

David Grant Fraser Gehrig Andrew Thompson Leigh Montagna

no f****** jamie shanahan.....cost us a premiership...should have knocked that bastard jarman out....

yeah, it's hard not to scapegoat shaggs, but why did stan leave him on jarhead?

i agree should n't have...but he did...maybe they can share equally in the blame...

i once had (believe it or not) an intelligent conversation with a filth supporter, reflecting on that game. he raised an interesting hypothetical - what would have happened it alves made the move taking shanahan off and putting rob harvey on jarman?

remember, harves was getting done like a dinner by mcleod. he was a tough opponent and could play a number of different positions. he would matched jarman for pace. it may have been a slightly different story.

[Sainternist]

B: Grant Frawley Hudghton
HB: Jones Fisher Goddard
C: Winmar Goddard Dal Santo
HF: Montagna Loewe Riewoldt
F: Hamill/Hall Lockett Milne
R: Everitt Harvey Hayes
Int: Gehrig Ball Voss Burke

Goddard is good but not that good.

you wouldn't be saying that if we actually won that drawn grand final.

goddard is a brilliant player. would fit in this team on any given day. it's funny how people are writiing him off after his form has dipped at the start of the season. mark my words, he'll be back as soon as you can say "henry kissinger" and the media will be riding him as a brownlow favourite.

Maybe p66 is referring to the fact that Goddard is being asked to play in 2 positions in that team

hahaha... i didn't notice that. i take it back, p66.

looks like noob is living up to his name

[BigMart]

Oh, i forgot the coach.....

Of course
Grant Thomas


Btw.....hamill only 90 games does not stack up to 230 from frankie.......in 1997 frankie was 3rd in the b&f in one of our more successful teams....in 1994 he was runner up.....ver underrated....13 years on the list says something....of course thats imo

Goddard has had two great yeears, one good year and the rest have been OK