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The Good News...
Its Rd two. We are a mess and know it early. We have time/ability to recover, regroup and reload but we gotta act NOW.
We covered Riewoldt last year when many said we couldnt - we did and went on. We can adapt to life without Hayes....it may FORCE another to take the next step.
As has been said, had we won 2 close ones....we'd paper over cracks. We cant now.
We all know there is nothing that rejuvinates a side like ours like youth. The belief that the future is strong and that there is skilled support for the older elite core is crucial. It will reinvigorate us - IF Lyon allows it.
No, we don't need to inject 10 youngsters.....but we need to see at least 2-3 new young faces in this team at the expense of Baker, Grams, Dempsters, Mqualters, Blake, Jones et al......
I would also like to see us fast track Walsh.
Last year we beat Collingwood Rd 3 after losing Riewoldt. After the game everyone said Pies were going nowhere, were playing the boundary and hadnt adapted to our pressure and they were dreadful kicks for goal. Fast forward to now and they are Premiers and apparently unbeatable (I dont believe that).
We can reinvent ourselves this year but we have to act.
BTW - Montagna HAS to lift in Hayes absence - Dal too.
We covered Riewoldt last year when many said we couldnt - we did and went on. We can adapt to life without Hayes....it may FORCE another to take the next step.
As has been said, had we won 2 close ones....we'd paper over cracks. We cant now.
We all know there is nothing that rejuvinates a side like ours like youth. The belief that the future is strong and that there is skilled support for the older elite core is crucial. It will reinvigorate us - IF Lyon allows it.
No, we don't need to inject 10 youngsters.....but we need to see at least 2-3 new young faces in this team at the expense of Baker, Grams, Dempsters, Mqualters, Blake, Jones et al......
I would also like to see us fast track Walsh.
Last year we beat Collingwood Rd 3 after losing Riewoldt. After the game everyone said Pies were going nowhere, were playing the boundary and hadnt adapted to our pressure and they were dreadful kicks for goal. Fast forward to now and they are Premiers and apparently unbeatable (I dont believe that).
We can reinvent ourselves this year but we have to act.
BTW - Montagna HAS to lift in Hayes absence - Dal too.
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Re: The Good News...
Well said Teflon. Wise wordsTeflon wrote:Its Rd two. We are a mess and know it early. We have time/ability to recover, regroup and reload but we gotta act NOW.
We covered Riewoldt last year when many said we couldnt - we did and went on. We can adapt to life without Hayes....it may FORCE another to take the next step.
As has been said, had we won 2 close ones....we'd paper over cracks. We cant now.
We all know there is nothing that rejuvinates a side like ours like youth. The belief that the future is strong and that there is skilled support for the older elite core is crucial. It will reinvigorate us - IF Lyon allows it.
No, we don't need to inject 10 youngsters.....but we need to see at least 2-3 new young faces in this team at the expense of Baker, Grams, Dempsters, Mqualters, Blake, Jones et al......
I would also like to see us fast track Walsh.
Last year we beat Collingwood Rd 3 after losing Riewoldt. After the game everyone said Pies were going nowhere, were playing the boundary and hadnt adapted to our pressure and they were dreadful kicks for goal. Fast forward to now and they are Premiers and apparently unbeatable (I dont believe that).
We can reinvent ourselves this year but we have to act.
BTW - Montagna HAS to lift in Hayes absence - Dal too.
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last 2 years we started the season well and started to struggle toward the end of the home and away season
this year maybe we hit our straps later in the year and run intio the finals with form rather than trying to recapture early season form
this year maybe we hit our straps later in the year and run intio the finals with form rather than trying to recapture early season form
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I still think we have to be blooding the young blokes, even if Lenny wasn't hurt.
what is the poiint of having talent like Stanley, Steven, Lynch, walsh, Cripps, etc, if they aren't getting game time now?
Ok, i know other teams have had to play the younguns becaue they had no one else - thats why Essendon and Richmond have shown good signs for the future. we have had a top side for 3 years now and no one new could really get in.
Lenny's knee? I listened to the game on the radio - I don't have digital and the friday night game is on 7mate up here on the GC now. when they said he was clutching the back of his knee i thought hamstring. I've had knee recos and know all about it.
Hopefully it isn't an ACL, just a medial as other threads have said. He could've just jarred it.
We'll see.
We still have Kosi and Schneids to come in yet. It'll be tough if Lenny is gone for the season but I'll be supporting our boys. They won't be giving up...
what is the poiint of having talent like Stanley, Steven, Lynch, walsh, Cripps, etc, if they aren't getting game time now?
Ok, i know other teams have had to play the younguns becaue they had no one else - thats why Essendon and Richmond have shown good signs for the future. we have had a top side for 3 years now and no one new could really get in.
Lenny's knee? I listened to the game on the radio - I don't have digital and the friday night game is on 7mate up here on the GC now. when they said he was clutching the back of his knee i thought hamstring. I've had knee recos and know all about it.
Hopefully it isn't an ACL, just a medial as other threads have said. He could've just jarred it.
We'll see.
We still have Kosi and Schneids to come in yet. It'll be tough if Lenny is gone for the season but I'll be supporting our boys. They won't be giving up...
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Yep. Although I agree with the OP - we need an injection of youth - there's nothing worse than clicking on a link thinking "thank God, maybe Lenny's injury isn't that serious" and getting "at least it's only round 2". Teflon... you inconsiderate pr*ck...tweedaletomanning wrote:Careful Teflon, you are about to get abused by STinkersaint.
Your not allowed to just post "Good News"
Psst, it's his pet hate.....
What I took out of last night was Armo had a great game (if only Dempster could lift like that!). McEvoy great first and second efforts and becoming a regular scoreboard contributor. And reports of Milne and Baker's demise are well off the mark (although any other year and Milne would have kicked 7.4 not 4.7).
Villains... where do you start... Jones, Gilbert, Gram... Clarke MIA...
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I think this is a big possibility and would be wise. Simpkin is still a chance for defensive backup.I would also like to see us fast track Walsh.
Sensible post.
I think exposing us without Lenny is what we need. He has held our midfield together for too long without support. We must develop our midfield, pure and simple.
I think it's a pity Ledger got the hammy, he seemed to be a find. Steven is the obvious but perhaps isn't in the best condition or form. A Smith will give us something but isn't a Lenny. Ledger to me looked like that aggressive in and under.
I think we just need to lower the expectation until we can get some aggression and balance in the team.
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When he learns to kick and handball. Jones is a stopper at best.PJ wrote:Armo is not enough, he's already there doing it. We need more midfield pressure. Could Jones have any impact?I think Lenny;s replacement already played last night, and was our BOG. Armo.
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Yes I agree. We have bought in Armo, Gamble and Archer though. Armo has to make himself a regular in the team. If the young guys want games they have to play so well for Sandy that we have to pick them, they are not doing that at this stage.Teflon wrote:Its Rd two. We are a mess and know it early. We have time/ability to recover, regroup and reload but we gotta act NOW.
We covered Riewoldt last year when many said we couldnt - we did and went on. We can adapt to life without Hayes....it may FORCE another to take the next step.
As has been said, had we won 2 close ones....we'd paper over cracks. We cant now.
We all know there is nothing that rejuvinates a side like ours like youth. The belief that the future is strong and that there is skilled support for the older elite core is crucial. It will reinvigorate us - IF Lyon allows it.
No, we don't need to inject 10 youngsters.....but we need to see at least 2-3 new young faces in this team at the expense of Baker, Grams, Dempsters, Mqualters, Blake, Jones et al......
I would also like to see us fast track Walsh.
Last year we beat Collingwood Rd 3 after losing Riewoldt. After the game everyone said Pies were going nowhere, were playing the boundary and hadnt adapted to our pressure and they were dreadful kicks for goal. Fast forward to now and they are Premiers and apparently unbeatable (I dont believe that).
We can reinvent ourselves this year but we have to act.
BTW - Montagna HAS to lift in Hayes absence - Dal too.
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Totally agree Teflon. Round 2 - whoop-tee-do! This draw is a gentle tap on the shoulder to let us know we need to alter a few things. It's not the end of the world, the sky isn't falling. People need to learn some perspective.
Big test with the Bombers coming up. This will show whether we're switched on, or just turning up.
Big test with the Bombers coming up. This will show whether we're switched on, or just turning up.
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The only good news I can see right now is that I'll save a lot of money come September this year.
We couldn't beat Geelong minus their best player who went off early in the 1st quarter last week, and we couldn't beat Richmond minus clearly their best player who went off early in the first quarter this week.
Plus they kicked 14 goals against our vaunted defence without him.
The side looks tired, slow and not hungry right now. The only time they tackled anywhere like they did 2 years ago was for the few minutes after Ray got bundled over.
There has to be a huge rocket put up their collective backsides and a few hometruths said if we are too have any chance too recover the year.
We couldn't beat Geelong minus their best player who went off early in the 1st quarter last week, and we couldn't beat Richmond minus clearly their best player who went off early in the first quarter this week.
Plus they kicked 14 goals against our vaunted defence without him.
The side looks tired, slow and not hungry right now. The only time they tackled anywhere like they did 2 years ago was for the few minutes after Ray got bundled over.
There has to be a huge rocket put up their collective backsides and a few hometruths said if we are too have any chance too recover the year.
Except for the sanity nothing much has been lost.
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Teflon. Good job.
It may look crook in Tobruk, but it only takes a week and 'boom'...
I'm not giving up.
Screw the lot of you who do.
Cripps/Ledger/Stanley/Archer/Steven - have a look in the eyes of the bloke who just went down and make what you see your modus operandi.
You can and you will.
It may look crook in Tobruk, but it only takes a week and 'boom'...
I'm not giving up.
Screw the lot of you who do.
Cripps/Ledger/Stanley/Archer/Steven - have a look in the eyes of the bloke who just went down and make what you see your modus operandi.
You can and you will.
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Agree with you 3rd - we look lacklustre, switched off and distracted. Some of the "tackling" efforts from Dawson and Gilbert in particular make me think their minds are elsewhere and maybe there are too many just playing out their last year thinking everything will just "happen" and they will be dragged along by the others. At the moment we are a 9 - 12th team.
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We were never going to win the flag this year without some of our younger players pushing up into te 22.
Hopefully the first two weeks will accelerate the process of giving those players a go.
This will still give us a chance to prosper this year if they do.....and if not this year will put us in a better position for the next few years.
It is time for players who are not likely to play in the next year or two to have their spots taken by our "future" players.
ie Baker, Blake
Blake is a good steady GOP....but we need to give preference to our future. Lets get a season into say Simpkin .
Also players that our just depth players..but are not likely to improve.
ie Peake, Dempster.
The above are all well and good to retain when you are going well....but now is time where we need to evolve.
We still have some good core payers....but we need to start really developing our next-gen.
PS: I have no issue with what we did the last two years as it optimised our chances in winning a flag in those years.
But it is now 2011....and our situation, as well as our opponents have changed.
Hopefully the first two weeks will accelerate the process of giving those players a go.
This will still give us a chance to prosper this year if they do.....and if not this year will put us in a better position for the next few years.
It is time for players who are not likely to play in the next year or two to have their spots taken by our "future" players.
ie Baker, Blake
Blake is a good steady GOP....but we need to give preference to our future. Lets get a season into say Simpkin .
Also players that our just depth players..but are not likely to improve.
ie Peake, Dempster.
The above are all well and good to retain when you are going well....but now is time where we need to evolve.
We still have some good core payers....but we need to start really developing our next-gen.
PS: I have no issue with what we did the last two years as it optimised our chances in winning a flag in those years.
But it is now 2011....and our situation, as well as our opponents have changed.
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