Heroes and villains
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Heroes and villains
Contested Possessions
Heroes:
L.Hayes 14
N.Dal Santo 11
N.Riewoldt 10
B.Goddard 9
L.Montagna 9
Villains:
J.Blake 1
A.McQualter 2
S.Dempster 3
B.Peake 3
D.Armitage 3
J.Gwilt 3
J.Gram 3
Disappointing to see McQualter, Dempster, Armitage and Gram on that list. Peake only played for a quarter, and Gwilt contributed elsewhere.
Tackles
Heroes:
J.Blake 7
B.Goddard 6
L.Montagna 6
D.Armitage 5
S.Gilbert 5
L.Hayes 5
Up forward, does Blake become the new McQualter? Armitage adding some value but needs to pick up his CPs.
Turnovers %
Villains:
A.McQualter 0.25
R.Gamble 0.22
S.Gilbert 0.2
D.Armitage 0.18
B.Peake 0.18
Gamble very much a mixed bag, could say the same about Gilbert and Armitage, McQualter an outright liability and Peake not far behind.
Marks (Cont. + Uncont.)
Heroes:
J.Gram 7
J.Blake 6
R.Clarke 6
B.McEvoy 6
S.Gilbert 6
B.Goddard 6
N.Riewoldt 6
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Discuss.
Heroes:
L.Hayes 14
N.Dal Santo 11
N.Riewoldt 10
B.Goddard 9
L.Montagna 9
Villains:
J.Blake 1
A.McQualter 2
S.Dempster 3
B.Peake 3
D.Armitage 3
J.Gwilt 3
J.Gram 3
Disappointing to see McQualter, Dempster, Armitage and Gram on that list. Peake only played for a quarter, and Gwilt contributed elsewhere.
Tackles
Heroes:
J.Blake 7
B.Goddard 6
L.Montagna 6
D.Armitage 5
S.Gilbert 5
L.Hayes 5
Up forward, does Blake become the new McQualter? Armitage adding some value but needs to pick up his CPs.
Turnovers %
Villains:
A.McQualter 0.25
R.Gamble 0.22
S.Gilbert 0.2
D.Armitage 0.18
B.Peake 0.18
Gamble very much a mixed bag, could say the same about Gilbert and Armitage, McQualter an outright liability and Peake not far behind.
Marks (Cont. + Uncont.)
Heroes:
J.Gram 7
J.Blake 6
R.Clarke 6
B.McEvoy 6
S.Gilbert 6
B.Goddard 6
N.Riewoldt 6
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Discuss.
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On these figures alone you would say Goddard, Hayes and Riewoldt outstanding, Montagna, Clarke and McEvoy very good. Gwilt, Gilbert, Gamble and Blake flawed but with redeeming qualities.
Armitage deserves another chance. Gram and Dempster have to be put on notice. McQualter and arguably Peake have to go.
For the rest of the side - Dawson was excellent - 8 CP's. Dal Santo was busy with 30 disposals. Fisher, Ray and Jones were relatively quiet. Milne and Baker had little impact.
Armitage deserves another chance. Gram and Dempster have to be put on notice. McQualter and arguably Peake have to go.
For the rest of the side - Dawson was excellent - 8 CP's. Dal Santo was busy with 30 disposals. Fisher, Ray and Jones were relatively quiet. Milne and Baker had little impact.
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why is peake on that list??? for villans of contested possesions???
he played what 1/4?????? on that ratio he was ahead of dal =\
and a couple of peakes turn overs were faults of the other players....
ie gram was in the lead of a foot race but had 2 near.... kicked it infront of gram who shouldve run onto it..... but didnt....
and kicks to contest... when no one was presenting which if thats the case... roo should be the worst at that because he didnt mark the ball and let it run out/
he played what 1/4?????? on that ratio he was ahead of dal =\
and a couple of peakes turn overs were faults of the other players....
ie gram was in the lead of a foot race but had 2 near.... kicked it infront of gram who shouldve run onto it..... but didnt....
and kicks to contest... when no one was presenting which if thats the case... roo should be the worst at that because he didnt mark the ball and let it run out/
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he needs to go back to the VFL ... his form is going down quicker then ki.... never mind ...SainterK wrote:This, and it happened alot unfortunately when it came to number 1.wasaintsfan wrote:ie gram was in the lead of a foot race but had 2 near.... kicked it infront of gram who shouldve run onto it..... but didnt....
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Yes I did point out Peake's game time - but that list of turnovers is a percentage figure so no, he was not ahead of Dal.wasaintsfan wrote:why is peake on that list??? for villans of contested possesions???
he played what 1/4?????? on that ratio he was ahead of dal =\
None of these lists measure a player's value, their selection is prejudicial. If you value a player like BJ, Lenny or Roo, find a metric that they lead in and look at who is trailing.
As for Peake - would his percentage have improved with more game time? Hard to argue in the affirmative. At 27 and with a full season at the Saints under his belt he is starting to look like a known quantity.
Dempster - 27. Had a knee reco but that is a while ago now. Has he ever had a breakout game?
Ditto McQualter, although he is a bit younger at 24 he has played 86 career games and is fast becoming the definition of a list clogger.
Contrast these three to Clarke, who to my great relief showed none of the brain fades from the pre-season and played like a champ. There's every reason to believe that if he can stay on the park he will build consistency.
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the comparision with dal was at the contested possesions comment not the turnover %InkerSaint wrote:Yes I did point out Peake's game time - but that list of turnovers is a percentage figure so no, he was not ahead of Dal.wasaintsfan wrote:why is peake on that list??? for villans of contested possesions???
he played what 1/4?????? on that ratio he was ahead of dal =\
None of these lists measure a player's value, their selection is prejudicial. If you value a player like BJ, Lenny or Roo, find a metric that they lead in and look at who is trailing.
As for Peake - would his percentage have improved with more game time? Hard to argue in the affirmative. At 27 and with a full season at the Saints under his belt he is starting to look like a known quantity.
Dempster - 27. Had a knee reco but that is a while ago now. Has he ever had a breakout game?
Ditto McQualter, although he is a bit younger at 24 he has played 86 career games and is fast becoming the definition of a list clogger.
Contrast these three to Clarke, who to my great relief showed none of the brain fades from the pre-season and played like a champ. There's every reason to believe that if he can stay on the park he will build consistency.
the turnover % was just a statement that its going to be low when players at the other end dont compete for it hard enough
with a couple of examples listed next to it..
am i saying that peake is our best player?? no im not but i am stating 100% he was no where near our worst on the night and that he couldve easily had 2-3 goal assist had other people had worked slighty harder at the other end
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And..........As if on que, Raph kicked a goal not long after ppl located not far from you & I said he was a chyt kick for goal !!Wizsteppa wrote:Just to add to those stats Inker,also a superb game by one Raph Clarke(by his previous standards anyway)..That is all.
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My mistake, I couldn't quite make sense of your point. I get what you're saying, and in this study Peake is a victim of a small sample size.wasaintsfan wrote:the comparision with dal was at the contested possesions comment not the turnover %
the turnover % was just a statement that its going to be low when players at the other end dont compete for it hard enough
with a couple of examples listed next to it..
am i saying that peake is our best player?? no im not but i am stating 100% he was no where near our worst on the night and that he couldve easily had 2-3 goal assist had other people had worked slighty harder at the other end
There's little doubt that Gram is also a villain. Somewhere down the line the team has to have enough elastic in it to allow emerging players a crack. Ross even admitted as much in the pre-season, and then serves up this s***. Gilbert back. Blake forward. No third tall forward. No debutants. And one of the ugliest games of football ever.
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