Seen no real changes....

[BigMart]

Seriously, we needed to improve somehow to take the next step....free, Carl, haw, kangas, rich, melb....and a couple of others are all improving.....

How were we going to get better short term.....trading..no.....game plan..can anyone see a change over the pre season......selection changes.....well at least armos getting a run......

Back structure is identical

Mid set up is the same

Fwd set up looks like nick r


Dempster playing chf was tried in a gf....failed then, will always fail....why not try the first round draft pick who was drafted as a tall fwd played there...

I see nothing different....not in the way we play

[jonesy]

FFS....at least wait until round 2 of proper footy when we field more than 60% of a side before you start crying we're going backwards

[Buckets]

FFS....at least wait until round 2 of proper footy when we field more than 60% of a side before you start crying we're going backwards

+1,000,000

[Verdun66]

Just seems we are intent on getting minutes into legs. Nothing more. Match-ups non-existent, skills down. Looks like we weren't too interested in winning. The Bombers have played well. And looked interested. We haven't.

On that I don't think you can tell whether we've changed or not.

[BigMart]

So are we going to be better then....good, I feel better....cos, here was I worrying about some real concerning signs...

With our slow structure getting ripped to shreds

And some individuals who quite frankly look past it...or no where near up to it...

But in r2 we will find pace, foot skills, attacking flair, a couple of new players....good

[st_Trav_ofWA]

So are we going to be better then....good, I feel better....cos, here was I worrying about some real concerning signs...

With our slow structure getting ripped to shreds

And some individuals who quite frankly look past it...or no where near up to it...

But in r2 we will find pace, foot skills, attacking flair, a couple of new players....good

dude take some prozac or somthing ... Geelong are getting touched up by Port and hawthorn are only just beating the Tigers .... settle down the real thing starts soon and we will be much better than this

[wasaintsfan]

the guys are just going through the motions?? are you watching the tv or a poster???

theyre jogging basically... not creating space etc.... archer gets a nice goal btw

[chook23]

Ess have primed themselves for NAB cup series

Our pre-season futher back......

Bombers fresh after 8 days

Us off colour after six day break......prob better again for this run

pace is still of some concern

[Buckets]

So are we going to be better then....good, I feel better....cos, here was I worrying about some real concerning signs...

With our slow structure getting ripped to shreds

And some individuals who quite frankly look past it...or no where near up to it...

But in r2 we will find pace, foot skills, attacking flair, a couple of new players....good

Honestly, do you ever have anything positive to say or is it only when we lose a game? Hell its a NAB cup game, our 3rd praccy match for the year, NO rucks, Kosi, Gilbert and Schnieds OUT Fisher out early in the game, Joey off from half time.

Bombers wanted the game from the get go, Saints on the other hand are just getting conditioning.

[jonesy]

So are we going to be better then....good, I feel better....cos, here was I worrying about some real concerning signs...

With our slow structure getting ripped to shreds

And some individuals who quite frankly look past it...or no where near up to it...

But in r2 we will find pace, foot skills, attacking flair, a couple of new players....good

Honestly, do you ever have anything positive to say or is it only when we lose a game? Hell its a NAB cup game, our 3rd praccy match for the year, NO rucks, Kosi, Gilbert and Schnieds OUT Fisher out early in the game, Joey off from half time.

Bombers wanted the game from the get go, Saints on the other hand are just getting conditioning.

Answer is no

[BigMart]

Oh FFS.....I apologize sincerely for my damning review of our skill level, fitness, structure and doubting anything....sorry.

We are miles away from the season....3 weeks at least to get it right....I actually thought we had been training for 4 months and had nearly our full compliment....but it seems we are well behind and will catch up.

Good...

BTW surely we can't think of a great deal positive out of this game...can we....I can't actually think of one thing....maybe Raphs attack on the man...pity it was our aa defender

On the contrary if I was an ess fan....IMO they look like a mini Coll and move the ball very well.

I will only post after victories now?.....just in case there is any chance of criticism, negativity or doubting.....after all we are stk....we should never be questioned....just look at our rich history....

[st_Trav_ofWA]

dude seriously you need to take a chill pill ...

positives out of this game is very clear to see ..... we got another run into the legs of the team ... Cripps got another run Archer got a go at leading the ruck Smith got a run against a quallty opponent .....

by your logic the top three will be Essendon Collingwood and West Coast ...

its preseason by all means if we play this bad come round 5 round 6 then yeah we should be concerned but its only the second REAL game of the year .....

[wasaintsfan]

Oh FFS.....I apologize sincerely for my damning review of our skill level, fitness, structure and doubting anything....sorry.

We are miles away from the season....3 weeks at least to get it right....I actually thought we had been training for 4 months and had nearly our full compliment....but it seems we are well behind and will catch up.

Good...

BTW surely we can't think of a great deal positive out of this game...can we....I can't actually think of one thing....maybe Raphs attack on the man...pity it was our aa defender

On the contrary if I was an ess fan....IMO they look like a mini Coll and move the ball very well.

I will only post after victories now?.....just in case there is any chance of criticism, negativity or doubting.....after all we are stk....we should never be questioned....just look at our rich history....

you're right we should just add a spoon to the collection instead screw the rest of the season rewatch the game.. and look at effort levels

if goddard riewoldt blake milne hayes dalsanto put that little effort in a season game you'd be asking for them to be dropped

the fact is they put as much load on the kids as possible to see how theyd react.. there was no intention to win the game... just look at the attitudes... wait til round 1 till you start telling people the sky is falling... atm you just look like a crazy nutter

[jonesy]

On the contrary if I was an ess fan....IMO they look like a mini Coll and move the ball very well.

I will only post after victories now?.....just in case there is any chance of criticism, negativity or doubting.....after all we are stk....we should never be questioned....just look at our rich history....

Posting after a victory...that would be a first?

Essendon a mini Collingwood after a nab cup game where the opposition didn't try? That's up there with you comparing Luke Ball to Lenny Hayes in september

[Buckets]

Oh FFS.....I apologize sincerely for my damning review of our skill level, fitness, structure and doubting anything....sorry.

We are miles away from the season....3 weeks at least to get it right....I actually thought we had been training for 4 months and had nearly our full compliment....but it seems we are well behind and will catch up.

Good...

BTW surely we can't think of a great deal positive out of this game...can we....I can't actually think of one thing....maybe Raphs attack on the man...pity it was our aa defender

On the contrary if I was an ess fan....IMO they look like a mini Coll and move the ball very well.

I will only post after victories now?.....just in case there is any chance of criticism, negativity or doubting.....after all we are stk....we should never be questioned....just look at our rich history....

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1. Re read my reply to your opening statement, we had a minimum of 6 walk up starters NOT in the team. We had 8 players take the field who were either in their 1 or 2nd year. We then had 2 more walkup starts subbed off by halftime. We had no ruck contingent, the matchups suggests that Lyon was more worried about getting run into the legs more than structure and the result.


2. Yep get rid of him for actually trying to get the ball Watch the replay of the incident and Raph went the ball to stop Essendon from getting possession, it was Fisher who turned into Raph not Raph running into Fisher.



3. Are you Tim Lane???? Comparing the Bombers with the Pies in the 3rd match of the NAB cup
Thats why Hird is in his first year as coach and needs someone like Mark 'please be loyal to the team Garry' Thompson to play seriously for a preseason game.

Amazing that the wrap up from the 3aw said the same thing, Saints while disappointing were getting run into the legs of its players, were behind the bombers in terms of prep for the season and would be focused more on the season PROPER rather than winning the preseason.

[PJ]

Oh FFS.....I apologize sincerely for my damning review of our skill level, fitness, structure and doubting anything....sorry.

LOL, very faulty towers, ya gotta laugh.

[wasaintsfan]

oh and now we can get a trial with the new sub rules....

[Cairnsman]

"mini collingwood" that's got to be the statement of the season...thus far

[desertsaint]

not much effort in there - onr team played to win, one to find a bit of match fitness and form. but our young ones didn't show anything at all.
armo just wanted to fight when he should be making sure he makes the starting 22.

[BallBanger]

Surely bigmart not the only one concerned with our inabliity to score or our midfield (full list) unable to match it.

[degruch]

I'll let you know if we have a problem at the end of the season.

[noob]

I don't think its been the lack of pace thats letting us down(if it ever did?) think it might be the lack of goalkicking through the midfield

[PJ]

Wake me up when the masterbation cup is over will ya

[Scottish Saint]

We were rubbish in the 2009 pre season and followed that with 19 wins in a row when the real season started.

The pre season cup means nothing.

[saintspremiers]

hmmm.....we get thumped in a meaningless praccy match without any proper ruckman and most of our backline missing.

and here comes BigMart, what a surprise