I agree.Con Gorozidis wrote: I have a feeling saints 2010 draft might be a real cracker after quite a few shockers.
About time we evened up the, er, ledger.... ouch.
And I'm sure this has been posted before, but it's good viewing....
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Drafting WA kids always has the advantage of them being a year older (or at least 6 months) due to the earlier start to school life.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger will be 19 by seasons start. So thats definitely old enough if hes good enough. Could be be in round 1 just on his 19th birthday.
I'm sure Cripps has played a handful of league games for East Freo, I think Ledger has only played in the Colts (Under 19).Animal Enclosure wrote:Drafting WA kids always has the advantage of them being a year older (or at least 6 months) due to the earlier start to school life.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger will be 19 by seasons start. So thats definitely old enough if hes good enough. Could be be in round 1 just on his 19th birthday.
Most of them have played senior footy in the WAFL too (not sure if Ledger and Cripps have though)
This year could see our first rounders in Armitage(2006), McEvoy(2007) and Lynch(2008) all validate their high selections.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger could easily debut in round one with Schneids suspended. Easily. Dont think too many (me included) saw that coming.
Jack Clarke Medalist for best player in WAFL under 18 comp for last season.
http://www.wafootball.com.au/wafl/2243- ... arke-medal
I have a feeling saints 2010 draft might be a real cracker after quite a few shockers.
Although Armo and Lynch and Big Mac all are decent so its really only back 5-7 years ago when we seemed to have a bad run for 3 few years.
We have no players in the 22-25 year age group at all (besides ray, polo and cj who were all mature recruits).
I'm a bit sick of this 'terrible drafting' theory that a lot of supporters seem to have.busso mick wrote:This year could see our first rounders in Armitage(2006), McEvoy(2007) and Lynch(2008) all validate their high selections.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger could easily debut in round one with Schneids suspended. Easily. Dont think too many (me included) saw that coming.
Jack Clarke Medalist for best player in WAFL under 18 comp for last season.
http://www.wafootball.com.au/wafl/2243- ... arke-medal
I have a feeling saints 2010 draft might be a real cracker after quite a few shockers.
Although Armo and Lynch and Big Mac all are decent so its really only back 5-7 years ago when we seemed to have a bad run for 3 few years.
We have no players in the 22-25 year age group at all (besides ray, polo and cj who were all mature recruits).
I think the theory holds that we had some poor recruiting 5-7 years ago and this can be displayed by looking down our list for those aged 22-25 (So the 2004-2006 drafts). We have 5 players on our list in this age group. 4 of which have been mature age recruits (gamble, ray, cj, polo) - only one - mini has lasted as a direct saints recruit/draftee. So I think that would add certain data to the fact that those were very poor recruiting years. 1 semi successful draftee from 3 drafts is not a good outcome.Animal Enclosure wrote:I'm a bit sick of this 'terrible drafting' theory that a lot of supporters seem to have.busso mick wrote:This year could see our first rounders in Armitage(2006), McEvoy(2007) and Lynch(2008) all validate their high selections.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger could easily debut in round one with Schneids suspended. Easily. Dont think too many (me included) saw that coming.
Jack Clarke Medalist for best player in WAFL under 18 comp for last season.
http://www.wafootball.com.au/wafl/2243- ... arke-medal
I have a feeling saints 2010 draft might be a real cracker after quite a few shockers.
Although Armo and Lynch and Big Mac all are decent so its really only back 5-7 years ago when we seemed to have a bad run for 3 few years.
We have no players in the 22-25 year age group at all (besides ray, polo and cj who were all mature recruits).
We have had a sustained period of good performances (finals every year since 2004 with the exception of 2007 and 3 straight top 4 finishes) as well as a stable mature group of players.
Our coach believes in young players serving an apprenticeship (which the strong performances have the luxury of allowing us) and we now have more coaching resources in player development than we ever have.
Sure there have been a few misses in the early rounds (Howard, trading for Lovett) but EVERY other club has had similar stories.
Personally I'm pretty excited that we have some quality young talent coming through that will compliment our top end talent.
What draft picks have been good since RL arrived?Con Gorozidis wrote:I think the theory holds that we had some poor recruiting 5-7 years ago and this can be displayed by looking down our list for those aged 22-25 (So the 2003-2005 drafts). We have 5 players on our list in this age group. 4 of which have been mature age recruits (gamble, ray, cj, polo) - only one - mini has lasted as a direct saints recruit/draftee. So I think that would add certain data to the fact that those were very poor recruiting years. 1 semi successful draftee from 3 drafts is not a good outcome.Animal Enclosure wrote:I'm a bit sick of this 'terrible drafting' theory that a lot of supporters seem to have.busso mick wrote:This year could see our first rounders in Armitage(2006), McEvoy(2007) and Lynch(2008) all validate their high selections.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger could easily debut in round one with Schneids suspended. Easily. Dont think too many (me included) saw that coming.
Jack Clarke Medalist for best player in WAFL under 18 comp for last season.
http://www.wafootball.com.au/wafl/2243- ... arke-medal
I have a feeling saints 2010 draft might be a real cracker after quite a few shockers.
Although Armo and Lynch and Big Mac all are decent so its really only back 5-7 years ago when we seemed to have a bad run for 3 few years.
We have no players in the 22-25 year age group at all (besides ray, polo and cj who were all mature recruits).
We have had a sustained period of good performances (finals every year since 2004 with the exception of 2007 and 3 straight top 4 finishes) as well as a stable mature group of players.
Our coach believes in young players serving an apprenticeship (which the strong performances have the luxury of allowing us) and we now have more coaching resources in player development than we ever have.
Sure there have been a few misses in the early rounds (Howard, trading for Lovett) but EVERY other club has had similar stories.
Personally I'm pretty excited that we have some quality young talent coming through that will compliment our top end talent.
I dont think its any accident that the coach + list managers have deliberately recruited those 4 players to shore up our list in that important age group. No accident at all.
But since Ross has arrived - i think we have done well. Above average.
Between 2003 and 2005 the Saints drafted 5 players currently in the best 22: Raphael Clarke, Sam Fisher, Andrew McQualter, James Gwilt and Sam Gilbert.Con Gorozidis wrote:I think the theory holds that we had some poor recruiting 5-7 years ago and this can be displayed by looking down our list for those aged 22-25 (So the 2003-2005 drafts). We have 5 players on our list in this age group. 4 of which have been mature age recruits (gamble, ray, cj, polo) - only one - mini has lasted as a direct saints recruit/draftee. So I think that would add certain data to the fact that those were very poor recruiting years. 1 semi successful draftee from 3 drafts is not a good outcome.Animal Enclosure wrote:
I'm a bit sick of this 'terrible drafting' theory that a lot of supporters seem to have.
We have had a sustained period of good performances (finals every year since 2004 with the exception of 2007 and 3 straight top 4 finishes) as well as a stable mature group of players.
Our coach believes in young players serving an apprenticeship (which the strong performances have the luxury of allowing us) and we now have more coaching resources in player development than we ever have.
Sure there have been a few misses in the early rounds (Howard, trading for Lovett) but EVERY other club has had similar stories.
Personally I'm pretty excited that we have some quality young talent coming through that will compliment our top end talent.
I dont think its any accident that the coach + list managers have deliberately recruited those 4 players to shore up our list in that important age group. No accident at all.
But since Ross has arrived - i think we have done well. Above average.
S Fisher is 28 years old. No one on our current list debuted in 2006 at the Saints. Im referring to the group aged 22-25. So must be the 2004-2006 drafts where we sucked. Quick scan at those 3 draft leave 3 players - Mini, Gilbo and Armo still on the list. So 3 from probably 10 i guess. But yes point taken. We havent really done that bad after all. If we win it this year we will look geniuses!BAM! (shhhh) wrote:Between 2003 and 2005 the Saints drafted 5 players currently in the best 22: Raphael Clarke, Sam Fisher, Andrew McQualter, James Gwilt and Sam Gilbert.Con Gorozidis wrote:I think the theory holds that we had some poor recruiting 5-7 years ago and this can be displayed by looking down our list for those aged 22-25 (So the 2003-2005 drafts). We have 5 players on our list in this age group. 4 of which have been mature age recruits (gamble, ray, cj, polo) - only one - mini has lasted as a direct saints recruit/draftee. So I think that would add certain data to the fact that those were very poor recruiting years. 1 semi successful draftee from 3 drafts is not a good outcome.Animal Enclosure wrote:
I'm a bit sick of this 'terrible drafting' theory that a lot of supporters seem to have.
We have had a sustained period of good performances (finals every year since 2004 with the exception of 2007 and 3 straight top 4 finishes) as well as a stable mature group of players.
Our coach believes in young players serving an apprenticeship (which the strong performances have the luxury of allowing us) and we now have more coaching resources in player development than we ever have.
Sure there have been a few misses in the early rounds (Howard, trading for Lovett) but EVERY other club has had similar stories.
Personally I'm pretty excited that we have some quality young talent coming through that will compliment our top end talent.
I dont think its any accident that the coach + list managers have deliberately recruited those 4 players to shore up our list in that important age group. No accident at all.
But since Ross has arrived - i think we have done well. Above average.
It's no 2001, but neither is it as bad as once thought, or as reputation often has it.
2006 we took Armo, Howard and re-drafted Feguson. Yeah, that's pretty filthy, and I'm a believer in Armo.Con Gorozidis wrote:S Fisher is 28 years old. No one on our current list debuted in 2006 at the Saints. Im referring to the group aged 22-25. So must be the 2004-2006 drafts where we sucked. Quick scan at those 3 draft leave 3 players - Mini, Gilbo and Armo still on the list. So 3 from probably 10 i guess. But yes point taken. We havent really done that bad after all. If we win it this year we will look geniuses!BAM! (shhhh) wrote:Between 2003 and 2005 the Saints drafted 5 players currently in the best 22: Raphael Clarke, Sam Fisher, Andrew McQualter, James Gwilt and Sam Gilbert.Con Gorozidis wrote:
I think the theory holds that we had some poor recruiting 5-7 years ago and this can be displayed by looking down our list for those aged 22-25 (So the 2003-2005 drafts). We have 5 players on our list in this age group. 4 of which have been mature age recruits (gamble, ray, cj, polo) - only one - mini has lasted as a direct saints recruit/draftee. So I think that would add certain data to the fact that those were very poor recruiting years. 1 semi successful draftee from 3 drafts is not a good outcome.
I dont think its any accident that the coach + list managers have deliberately recruited those 4 players to shore up our list in that important age group. No accident at all.
But since Ross has arrived - i think we have done well. Above average.
It's no 2001, but neither is it as bad as once thought, or as reputation often has it.
Based on the knowledge that was about at the time, there was nothing that wrong about taking Armo where we did. It was a fair and reasonable pick.BAM! (shhhh) wrote:
2006 we took Armo, Howard and re-drafted Feguson. Yeah, that's pretty filthy, and I'm a believer in Armo.
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good calls bigmart. although wa creamed the national title in 2009 so still some ok blue chips over west. seems our recruiters are obsessed with the west atm. might just work too.BigMart wrote:Most people had us pinned for Albert proud at pick #9 in 2006.....could've been worse.....
Some reason we were on a gippsland/queens land recruitfest, with 80% of our recruits coming from there....
2004-2006 not great periods....
My judgement......never trade a FRP, under any circumstances....often trade a second rounder for a good fit player....and a later pick if a bargain comes up.....other wise draft.....use TAC cup for blue chip...Wafl, sanfl, tas, in search for a lower bargain/and rookie...
or later start to school life? i.e they finish school older?Animal Enclosure wrote:Drafting WA kids always has the advantage of them being a year older (or at least 6 months) due to the earlier start to school life.Con Gorozidis wrote:Ledger will be 19 by seasons start. So thats definitely old enough if hes good enough. Could be be in round 1 just on his 19th birthday.
Most of them have played senior footy in the WAFL too (not sure if Ledger and Cripps have though)
Gwilt has to go down as one of great all time draft picks in the whole afl. love him. quick check hes only 24. Drafted in 2004. Debuted when he was only 18. Hes going to carve them up the next 3 years.saintspremiers wrote:what about Gwilt?
The last smokey from GT.
....and he's now in the star category.
amazing!
Jimmy needs to back up this year....Con Gorozidis wrote:Gwilt has to go down as one of great all time draft picks in the whole afl. love him. quick check hes only 24. Drafted in 2004. Debuted when he was only 18. Hes going to carve them up the next 3 years.saintspremiers wrote:what about Gwilt?
The last smokey from GT.
....and he's now in the star category.
amazing!
although i fear we have ruined this thread. lets get back to the OP. Ledger goes off!. Love the bloke. Cant believe he got through to 59.
Which picks have been proven to be not good?plugger66 wrote: [What draft picks have been good since RL arrived?
When we get to look in retrospect the view has to change though, and Howard is a perfect case in point.saintsRrising wrote:Based on the knowledge that was about at the time, there was nothing that wrong about taking Armo where we did. It was a fair and reasonable pick.BAM! (shhhh) wrote:
2006 we took Armo, Howard and re-drafted Feguson. Yeah, that's pretty filthy, and I'm a believer in Armo.
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Now Howard......that is another story...
Have to disagree.BAM! (shhhh) wrote:
When we get to look in retrospect the view has to change though, and Howard is a perfect case in point.
After picking up Sam Fisher and Jimmy Gwilt with late picks, that earns enough rope to take a smokey in the 2nd ...... That's Brad Howard. .
ledger 178. but hes tall compared with jarryd blair . not sure height matters if u are quick,smart,strong and skillful enough. ledge looks like he has enough attributes to compensate for his height.samoht wrote:Ledger is going to be a gun.. has attitude, pace , determination, uses both sides of his body and is comfortable as both an inside and outside player.
Has too many strings to his bow - not to succeed.
Height may be his only (small) issue - how tall is he ?
Crocker got more game time I think than Cripps... and displayed his long kicking.
Cripps got about 5 quick possessions in a matter of minutes in the first quarter (against either Brisbane or Essendon?) .. but didn't get much more game time.
He looked to be comfortable at AFL level .. has a quick reaction time..