A Question to the Administrators & Moderating Personnel.
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- St Fidelius
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A Question to the Administrators & Moderating Personnel.
Can some of you please explain just why a poster that has been previously banned on at least 3 occasions be allowed to come back under a different nic....
I sent off a PM to an Administrator that ChicagoSaint is the same poster as the following...
BaysideSaint
OneGram
and Loyal
This Administrator read my PM and I never received a reply and this ChicagoSaint continued to post...
He continued to post until Mr Magic had enough (General Forum) and may not post again, let alone organise the saintsational sponsorship.
JUST WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED!!!
Too many good posters have left and yet at least one administrator was alerted to it.
Don't get me wrong, they have a tough job and search this site without pay and are will to do it for the good of this site.
BUT, if evidence supplied proves that ChigagoSaint has been banned under previous nics, surely that's enough....
And to those that commented that I was "over policing"
just really don't have a clue...
Can some Administrator or Moderator make a comment before it is locked or deleted ???
If Mr Magic leaves this site when a Administrator was warned about a previous banned poster, well then that would be another good poster gone IMO
I sent off a PM to an Administrator that ChicagoSaint is the same poster as the following...
BaysideSaint
OneGram
and Loyal
This Administrator read my PM and I never received a reply and this ChicagoSaint continued to post...
He continued to post until Mr Magic had enough (General Forum) and may not post again, let alone organise the saintsational sponsorship.
JUST WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED!!!
Too many good posters have left and yet at least one administrator was alerted to it.
Don't get me wrong, they have a tough job and search this site without pay and are will to do it for the good of this site.
BUT, if evidence supplied proves that ChigagoSaint has been banned under previous nics, surely that's enough....
And to those that commented that I was "over policing"
just really don't have a clue...
Can some Administrator or Moderator make a comment before it is locked or deleted ???
If Mr Magic leaves this site when a Administrator was warned about a previous banned poster, well then that would be another good poster gone IMO
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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This is NOT about a back stabbing match, it's about making the Admin and Mods accountable and I was really hoping for posts from themEnrico_Misso wrote:and he's not the only one who should go
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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It has nothing to do with my "job" , but it has to do with the integrity of this site. I did provide the details on why ChicagoSaint had been previously banned and I got no reply...plugger66 wrote:Some people have just got to leave their job at work. CS is an idiot but do you actually have proof he was any of these other guys. Simple to fix though. Put your hand up at being a mod. Then you could do you job at home as well as work.
This poster was allowed to post and has insulted posters for a couple of weeks and ultimately resulting in Mr Magic departure (at the very least in assisting with the saintsational sponsorship campaign for the next season.
Some on here need to think laterally to spot new posters and the rate the post.. not too hard really
and the way they post....
It's not rocket science FFS, but you need a BRAIN
but all in all this poster was banned on at least 3 occasions and was allowed to continue under a different nic....
I sounded the alarm and another good poster has left and this trash poster has been banned...
IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED SOONER IMO!!!
As for your other remarks, I consider them as personal and you should not post them IMO
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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Agree wholeheartedly with you St Fid. First time for everything.
Mr Magic has been much maligned by the lunatic Chicago Saint (dumb name, Chicago are the Bears and the Saints are St Louis) and that is a travesty, after all to good work Mr Magic has done for this site and the St Kilda Football Club.
Mr Magic has been much maligned by the lunatic Chicago Saint (dumb name, Chicago are the Bears and the Saints are St Louis) and that is a travesty, after all to good work Mr Magic has done for this site and the St Kilda Football Club.
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When people change their nicks, it can make things hard to police - that's obviously a fact.
I'm not sure on the status of IP banning; that's an admin issue, not a mod issue. (Also, for the record, mods can't ban, that's an admin job).
Agree we need to encourage good posting habits here, never nice when people come here to cause trouble. Sadly we can't police absolutely everything with a fine tooth comb and monitor what people do every single time. It's just not possible.
The funny thing is, a few Collingwood idiots aside, things have been going well here recently.
So we are trying, but we can't be as omnipotent as some posters would like. But if we were, we'd also upset those who see this as - I think AOK put it beautifully - a kind of graffiti wall of online free speech.
Bit of a no win. Keeping the lunatics off is a priority, one I think we can all agree on, however.
Monitoring and spotting isn't as easy as some seem to think, however. We've had legit posters absolutely smashed and labelled as trolls when they weren't - they were just offering a different view.
So it's a fine line, one we try to get right. Doing our best...taking it one week at a time
I'm not sure on the status of IP banning; that's an admin issue, not a mod issue. (Also, for the record, mods can't ban, that's an admin job).
Agree we need to encourage good posting habits here, never nice when people come here to cause trouble. Sadly we can't police absolutely everything with a fine tooth comb and monitor what people do every single time. It's just not possible.
The funny thing is, a few Collingwood idiots aside, things have been going well here recently.
So we are trying, but we can't be as omnipotent as some posters would like. But if we were, we'd also upset those who see this as - I think AOK put it beautifully - a kind of graffiti wall of online free speech.
Bit of a no win. Keeping the lunatics off is a priority, one I think we can all agree on, however.
Monitoring and spotting isn't as easy as some seem to think, however. We've had legit posters absolutely smashed and labelled as trolls when they weren't - they were just offering a different view.
So it's a fine line, one we try to get right. Doing our best...taking it one week at a time
Clueless and mediocre petty tyrant.
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Yeah, I know all of that, but why was this certain poster allowed to continue when I provided all the facts to an admin staff member???evertonfc wrote:When people change their nicks, it can make things hard to police - that's obviously a fact.
I'm not sure on the status of IP banning; that's an admin issue, not a mod issue. (Also, for the record, mods can't ban, that's an admin job).
Agree we need to encourage good posting habits here, never nice when people come here to cause trouble. Sadly we can't police absolutely everything with a fine tooth comb and monitor what people do every single time. It's just not possible.
The funny thing is, a few Collingwood idiots aside, things have been going well here recently.
So we are trying, but we can't be as omnipotent as some posters would like. But if we were, we'd also upset those who see this as - I think AOK put it beautifully - a kind of graffiti wall of online free speech.
Bit of a no win. Keeping the lunatics off is a priority, one I think we can all agree on, however.
Monitoring and spotting isn't as easy as some seem to think, however. We've had legit posters absolutely smashed and labelled as trolls when they weren't - they were just offering a different view.
So it's a fine line, one we try to get right. Doing our best...taking it one week at a time Smile
To my knowledge if a poster has been banned from posting he should not come back and post under a different nic....
I provided the facts to an admin staff member and this poster was allowed to continue to post and abuse the system and insult another poster to the point that this "respected" poster may not post again.
Too little too late IMO and another good poster has gone.
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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I think the should is the key word.St Fidelius wrote:To my knowledge if a poster has been banned from posting he should not come back and post under a different nic...
Well of course he should not come back.
But how many different computers are there out there, with different IPs, etc.
Look, your point is understood, I'm sure you provided all the facts - I'm sure the admin have looked into it.
Cut some slack mate, they're doing their best.
Clueless and mediocre petty tyrant.
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errrr
its not exactly hard to change an IP address time and time again
therefore you could join as many times as you like under diff names
so mods go and check the IP addy of certain posters they think are one and the same and, well, what do you know...diff IP addy....is it the same poster under multiple nicknames?????
prob
can you prove it
no
so whats the solution st fid???
guess that you think they are the same person? and possibly ban someone new that just wanted to join and chat and was involved in a case of mistaken identity??
all put our membership #s up when joining so they can be checked?
get a police clearance?
cant see it being stopped in all honesty
its not exactly hard to change an IP address time and time again
therefore you could join as many times as you like under diff names
so mods go and check the IP addy of certain posters they think are one and the same and, well, what do you know...diff IP addy....is it the same poster under multiple nicknames?????
prob
can you prove it
no
so whats the solution st fid???
guess that you think they are the same person? and possibly ban someone new that just wanted to join and chat and was involved in a case of mistaken identity??
all put our membership #s up when joining so they can be checked?
get a police clearance?
cant see it being stopped in all honesty
- St Fidelius
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I provided proof via a PM to an admin staff that ChicagoSaint was previously Loyal, BaysideSaint and OneGram... (all have previously been banned.matrix wrote:errrr
its not exactly hard to change an IP address time and time again
therefore you could join as many times as you like under diff names
so mods go and check the IP addy of certain posters they think are one and the same and, well, what do you know...diff IP addy....is it the same poster under multiple nicknames?????
prob
can you prove it
no
so whats the solution st fid???
guess that you think they are the same person? and possibly ban someone new that just wanted to join and chat and was involved in a case of mistaken identity??
all put our membership #s up when joining so they can be checked?
get a police clearance?
cant see it being stopped in all honesty
That proof was sent a couple of weeks ago and if he had have been banned straight away the insults to Mr Magic would not have happened.
It was never going to be a "case of mistaken identity"
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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Dan, I do realise they are volunteers, but I did provide proof that ChicagoSaint had been previously banned under different nics...Dan Warna wrote:the mods are volunteers and not paid for their work as is my understanding.
I'm thankful they have this as is, and the problem is not with the mods its with the trolls.
In other words I did the leg work for them.
Yes, he maybe banned now, but not before he insulted Mr Magic, and all I am saying it could have been avoided.
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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Indeed.matrix wrote:granted fid
but ip's can be blocked and changed as easy as it is typing a message by some people
hence...someone banned could be back the very next minute after being banned.
A better way...if not already implemented is to only accept new members that submit an identifiable email address and a not hotmail, yahoo address etc.
That way they can change their IP all they like, but if no clear email address , no SS account.
Though nothing is foolproof...
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I identified ChicagoSaint without knowledge of his IP address or his email account.saintsRrising wrote:Indeed.matrix wrote:granted fid
but ip's can be blocked and changed as easy as it is typing a message by some people
hence...someone banned could be back the very next minute after being banned.
A better way...if not already implemented is to only accept new members that submit an identifiable email address and a not hotmail, yahoo address etc.
That way they can change their IP all they like, but if no clear email address , no SS account.
Though nothing is foolproof...
I then alerted an administrator of this fact two weeks ago
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
How can you be 100% sure. Surely that isnt a secret and you can let us all into your detective skills.St Fidelius wrote:I identified ChicagoSaint without knowledge of his IP address or his email account.saintsRrising wrote:Indeed.matrix wrote:granted fid
but ip's can be blocked and changed as easy as it is typing a message by some people
hence...someone banned could be back the very next minute after being banned.
A better way...if not already implemented is to only accept new members that submit an identifiable email address and a not hotmail, yahoo address etc.
That way they can change their IP all they like, but if no clear email address , no SS account.
Though nothing is foolproof...
I then alerted an administrator of this fact two weeks ago
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PM sentplugger66 wrote:How can you be 100% sure. Surely that isnt a secret and you can let us all into your detective skills.St Fidelius wrote:I identified ChicagoSaint without knowledge of his IP address or his email account.saintsRrising wrote:Indeed.matrix wrote:granted fid
but ip's can be blocked and changed as easy as it is typing a message by some people
hence...someone banned could be back the very next minute after being banned.
A better way...if not already implemented is to only accept new members that submit an identifiable email address and a not hotmail, yahoo address etc.
That way they can change their IP all they like, but if no clear email address , no SS account.
Though nothing is foolproof...
I then alerted an administrator of this fact two weeks ago
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
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This is the reason behind us not taking everything that posters on here as gospel St Fid.gazrat wrote:wanna sus out jmsainter for me fid ?.
regarding the other issue ... the cardboard tube king is already back again operating as evil saint imo.
Gazrat is actually far from correct, as I can confirm who the poster in question actually is.
As I have mentioned in the other post, there is a rule on the forum about trying to police the forum yourself and make a scene about it in the open.
They walk amongst us...
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With respect HSV...HSVKing wrote:This is the reason behind us not taking everything that posters on here as gospel St Fid.gazrat wrote:wanna sus out jmsainter for me fid ?.
regarding the other issue ... the cardboard tube king is already back again operating as evil saint imo.
Gazrat is actually far from correct, as I can confirm who the poster in question actually is.
As I have mentioned in the other post, there is a rule on the forum about trying to police the forum yourself and make a scene about it in the open.
The evidence I provided was conclusive and now Mr Magic has left after being insulted which is a shame but more so when you consider the work he has done on this site.
I know you and others work tirelessly in moderating this forum, but I did do the leg work for you and it just took too long for this former banned poster to be banned again. IMO he has caused damage that could have been avoided.
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
the ones whinging should read all the rules/guidelines....and not just those that suit them...try this one......think it's been breached more than once in this thread alone,,....apart from the op itself.....couple of other threads in the general forum also breach the guidlines...fwiw
"GRIEVANCES
Please note that all Moderation will be done in private via PM. Should a Moderator be required to edit a post containing obscene content, this will be shown in the post and a warning issued in private to that poster via PM. If a person wishes to discuss this further, please do so with the Moderation team via PM. You may not like it, but ultimately the Moderation team have the final say and are here to provide a fun environment for us to celebrate all things St Kilda. Accept the umpire's decision and move on. The above penalty system gives you three chances before your enjoyment of the community will be restricted. Take advantage of those three chances to improve your conduct.
Do not start threads requesting discipline of other members, nor PM the Moderators requesting punishment. You are entitled to report behaviour you believe contravenes the rules, but it will be at the Moderator discretion as to the punishment required."
"GRIEVANCES
Please note that all Moderation will be done in private via PM. Should a Moderator be required to edit a post containing obscene content, this will be shown in the post and a warning issued in private to that poster via PM. If a person wishes to discuss this further, please do so with the Moderation team via PM. You may not like it, but ultimately the Moderation team have the final say and are here to provide a fun environment for us to celebrate all things St Kilda. Accept the umpire's decision and move on. The above penalty system gives you three chances before your enjoyment of the community will be restricted. Take advantage of those three chances to improve your conduct.
Do not start threads requesting discipline of other members, nor PM the Moderators requesting punishment. You are entitled to report behaviour you believe contravenes the rules, but it will be at the Moderator discretion as to the punishment required."
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