Niether of our two top picks

BigMart · Post: # 1025026Post **BigMart** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 3:49pm

So your bringing up recruiting failures of the past (X and Eljay) to prove a point that our current crop will probably be good....

Yes I have bemoaned and questioned our recruiting in the past....I have learned my lesson not to challenge on this site, and just blindly believe we are always doing the right thing.....I will NEVER EVER do that again...

our rich history proves our establishmnet should never be questioned....and we are absolutely successful....hang on a minute...

Question to every smart arse who jumps on board to defend the honour of the club against warranted critisism.......

How do each of you rate our recruiting/trading since 2003????

Judge it by
Number of trades/Picks Delisted in that time....compared to those still in the best 22

and BTW......stop attacking me, with your mean barbs....it is hurting my feelings....and to do it with the courage it requires....please stop, again, hang on....I couldn't give a F*** what a bunch of people who I have never met think of me or say about me.....

I think everyone is a bit touchy because we still have achieved zero, and they are struggling to defend, and its pissing people off that critical comments are hitting the mark....

Best I go and change my name, before I get more embarrassed...even though I am not identified by it anyway...FFS

Good luck to young Cripps, Crocker, Ledger.....and Siposs....hope they do well....I really don't know a great deal about them (arryn aside), just what Ive read and heard....so about as much as Emma.

But the fact is, everyones opinion is just conjecture atm....Kosi, Ball, X, Ferguson, Raph, Mini, Armo, Lynch.....all very highly touted.....did not live up to hype.
Sam F, Gwilt, Montagna, Gilbert not so much...and have exceeded.

Still do not know why they had NO picture....and every other just about did....simple question.

BigMart · Post: # 1025028Post **BigMart** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 3:56pm

also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

stinger · Post: # 1025029Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 3:57pm

i always enjoy your posts mate......

p.s........don't let the buggers upset you.....not that i fear they would anyway.....

stinger · Post: # 1025030Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:00pm

BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

well...you made the right call on most of those players....

i am not that enamoured by our club at the moment....just one kid who could get a raising star nomination this year would be nice....

barks4eva · Post: # 1025042Post **barks4eva** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:10pm

BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

Go for it Marto, enjoy your posts!

Fact is most supporters are lemmings and sheep, follow blindly and just accept what's dished up like servile underlings and anyone who dares criticize or QUESTION any decision made by those in positions of power is some blasphemous heretic who should be nailed up on a cross!

After all this is a FORUM for opinions isn't it, not communist China!

InkerSaint · Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:14pm

BigMart wrote:Question to every smart arse who jumps on board to defend the honour of the club against warranted critisism.......

How do each of you rate our recruiting/trading since 2003????

Judge it by
Number of trades/Picks Delisted in that time....compared to those still in the best 22

Boy, you do love falling flat on your arse.

1998 Hayes
1998 Baker
1999 Blake
1999 Milne
2000 Koschitzke
2000 Riewoldt
2001 Dal Santo
2001 Montagna
2002 Goddard
2003 Gram
2003 Fisher
2004 Gwilt
2005 Gilbert
2006 Gardiner
2006 Jones
2007 McQualter
2007 Schneider
2007 McEvoy
2007 Dempster
2008 Dawson
2008 Ray
2009 Peake

Looks like a pretty even spread to me.

Next time, you could maybe do some research of your own?

mad saint guy · Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:17pm

BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

With good reason. Howard was a ridiculous pick in such a talented draft pool, Lovett admittedly was always a risk, Sweeney a long shot and Pattison was clearly never going to amount to anything.

But the new crop look very promising. All from the conventional systems, all rated to go in the national draft and all with qualities we are lacking. Whinging because they don't have a picture on afl.com is just plain stupid.

chook23 · Post: # 1025052Post **chook23** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:18pm

barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

Go for it Marto, enjoy your posts!

Fact is most supporters are lemmings and sheep, follow blindly and just accept what's dished up like servile underlings and anyone who dares criticize or QUESTION any decision made by those in positions of power is some blasphemous heretic who should be nailed up on a cross!

After all this is a FORUM for opinions isn't it, not communist China!

Agree with most

but re Ball/X/Maguire they wanted out

X and Maguire have done nothing to date to make it an ill call to help move on....

Ball ......could he ever be convinced to stay after the Pie offer??
if the club had of accepted (trade wise)what Pies offered would have been bagged by sections......anyway

Cousins fair enough judgement call....

stinger · Post: # 1025053Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:22pm

barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

Go for it Marto, enjoy your posts!

Fact is most supporters are lemmings and sheep, follow blindly and just accept what's dished up like servile underlings and anyone who dares criticize or QUESTION any decision made by those in positions of power is some blasphemous heretic who should be nailed up on a cross!

After all this is a FORUM for opinions isn't it, not communist China!

is that really you b4e.and..not some stranger who somehow got hold of your password??

plugger66 · Post: # 1025055Post **plugger66** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:23pm

I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certain people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

Lets even give you a chance to pick your 4 players this year and will bookmark it. The only criteria is that the players must be the same or after our picks.

Dr Spaceman · Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:27pm

plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certaib people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

If pictures are that important, Lingy would have never got drafted

stinger · Post: # 1025059Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:29pm

plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certain people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

Lets even give you a chance to pick your 4 players this year and will bookmark it. The only criteria is that the players must be the same or after our picks.

well.....i know of at least one person on here who doesn't have a clue...don't i albert...???...how many players were the saints going to draft again....

Saintersss · Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:30pm

BigMart wrote:So your bringing up recruiting failures of the past (X and Eljay) to prove a point that our current crop will probably be good....

Yes I have bemoaned and questioned our recruiting in the past....I have learned my lesson not to challenge on this site, and just blindly believe we are always doing the right thing.....I will NEVER EVER do that again...

our rich history proves our establishmnet should never be questioned....and we are absolutely successful....hang on a minute...

Question to every smart arse who jumps on board to defend the honour of the club against warranted critisism.......

How do each of you rate our recruiting/trading since 2003????

Judge it by
Number of trades/Picks Delisted in that time....compared to those still in the best 22

and BTW......stop attacking me, with your mean barbs....it is hurting my feelings....and to do it with the courage it requires....please stop, again, hang on....I couldn't give a F*** what a bunch of people who I have never met think of me or say about me.....

I think everyone is a bit touchy because we still have achieved zero, and they are struggling to defend, and its pissing people off that critical comments are hitting the mark....

Best I go and change my name, before I get more embarrassed...even though I am not identified by it anyway...FFS

Good luck to young Cripps, Crocker, Ledger.....and Siposs....hope they do well....I really don't know a great deal about them (arryn aside), just what Ive read and heard....so about as much as Emma.

But the fact is, everyones opinion is just conjecture atm....Kosi, Ball, X, Ferguson, Raph, Mini, Armo, Lynch.....all very highly touted.....did not live up to hype.
Sam F, Gwilt, Montagna, Gilbert not so much...and have exceeded.

Still do not know why they had NO picture....and every other just about did....simple question.

No one is saying our recruiting has been amazing in the past few years, but when you attack these young kids after you haven't even seen them play a single game, that is when I get annoyed. You think after watching a couple of 2minute highlight reels you can decide if they will be a success or failure.
And I can guarantee Emma watches many games in the TAC Cup and in the National Championships unlike yourself.

So before you go attacking these new draftees how about you learn something about them and watch them play a few games.

stinger · Post: # 1025062Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:30pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certaib people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.
If pictures are that important, Lingy would have never got drafted

plugger66 · Post: # 1025063Post **plugger66** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:31pm

stinger wrote:
plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certain people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

Lets even give you a chance to pick your 4 players this year and will bookmark it. The only criteria is that the players must be the same or after our picks.

well.....i know of at least one person on here who doesn't nave a clue...don't i albert......how many players were the saints going to draft again....

Yep i was completely and admitted it. Have you got over Peter Carey being related to your friends the Clokes yet.

stinger · Post: # 1025065Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:32pm

Saintersss wrote:[
No one is saying our recruiting has been amazing in the past few years, but when you attack these young kids after you haven't even seen them play a single game, that is when I get annoyed.

seems that you are easily annoyed mate....st mart isn't the worst judge of talent posting on here....

stinger · Post: # 1025066Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:33pm

plugger66 wrote:
stinger wrote:
plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certain people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

Lets even give you a chance to pick your 4 players this year and will bookmark it. The only criteria is that the players must be the same or after our picks.

well.....i know of at least one person on here who doesn't nave a clue...don't i albert......how many players were the saints going to draft again....
Yep i was completely and admitted it. Have you got over Peter Carey being related tou your friends the Clokes yet.

no ..i think you mean peter cameron, albert...still can't say that word can you....it's W R O N G ....

plugger66 · Post: # 1025068Post **plugger66** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:35pm

stinger wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
stinger wrote:
plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certain people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

Lets even give you a chance to pick your 4 players this year and will bookmark it. The only criteria is that the players must be the same or after our picks.

well.....i know of at least one person on here who doesn't nave a clue...don't i albert......how many players were the saints going to draft again....
Yep i was completely and admitted it. Have you got over Peter Carey being related tou your friends the Clokes yet.

no ..i think you mean peter cameron, albert...still can't say that word can you....it's W R O N G ....

You can wink all you like but at the end of the day you are still and old cleaner with a serious attitude problem to most humans.

stinger · Post: # 1025073Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:42pm

plugger66 wrote:
stinger wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
stinger wrote:
plugger66 wrote:I dont think you get it Big Mart. i to think our recruiting has been at best ordinary for the last 7 years but you start a post saying there isnt pictures of these guys so in other words they cant be great. We then find certain people rated them higher than we got them and I am sure others rated them lower. The [point is you wouldnt have a clue as probably 99% of people on here wouldnt. Give these guys a go.

You also state you said players that ended up being no good you got right. How about giving us the guys you got wrong or are we supposed to think you have 100% record.

If players abilities are decided by pictures then we are in real trouble.

Lets even give you a chance to pick your 4 players this year and will bookmark it. The only criteria is that the players must be the same or after our picks.

well.....i know of at least one person on here who doesn't nave a clue...don't i albert......how many players were the saints going to draft again....
Yep i was completely and admitted it. Have you got over Peter Carey being related tou your friends the Clokes yet.

no ..i think you mean peter cameron, albert...still can't say that word can you....it's W R O N G ....
You can wink all you like but at the end of the day you are still and old cleaner with a serious attitude problem to most humans.

and here's me trying to be nice to you albert......just to please saintersss

think you mean "an old".....but hey...wrong again...three times in the one post too....

joffaboy · Post: # 1025074Post **joffaboy** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 4:44pm

BigMart wrote:So your bringing up recruiting failures of the past (X and Eljay) to prove a point that our current crop will probably be good....

No, I speculated that they probably had photo's on the AFL tracker. Basically I was pointing out your OP was irrelevant.

BigMart wrote:Yes I have bemoaned and questioned our recruiting in the past....I have learned my lesson not to challenge on this site, and just blindly believe we are always doing the right thing.....I will NEVER EVER do that again...

I think you have a pretty good record in hindsight, however what gets up peoples noses is that you scream blue murder a seconds after a player has been picked, give the kids a chance.

BigMart wrote:our rich history proves our establishmnet should never be questioned....and we are absolutely successful....hang on a minute...

Geting a bit defensive aren't you. Nobody ever said that. Your inference was that the kids were crap because they weren't thought of highly enough to have some photo of them on AFL tracker. Most responded with that they were all in the range of recruits to go under fifty and some even suggested that Cripps could go as high as 15.

Your OP a swipe at our recruiters and to try and play innocent and play the matyr is a bit rich.

BigMart wrote:Question to every smart arse who jumps on board to defend the honour of the club against warranted critisism.......

How do each of you rate our recruiting/trading since 2003????

Well we haven't won a flag but have made 3 Grand Finals. We have recruited some duds, and we have recruited well down the lower rounds rounds.

We certainly could have done better with our higher picks.

BigMart wrote:Judge it by
Number of trades/Picks Delisted in that time....compared to those still in the best 22

I'll judge it on our results, and they have been pretty good. However we haven't won a flag.

BigMart wrote:and BTW......stop attacking me, with your mean barbs....it is hurting my feelings....and to do it with the courage it requires....please stop, again, hang on....I couldn't give a F*** what a bunch of people who I have never met think of me or say about me.....

lol - you create an inflammatory OP, get critisised, come on and defend yourself and then reckon you dont care what others have posted.

lol, lol and double lol

BigMart wrote:I think everyone is a bit touchy because we still have achieved zero, and they are struggling to defend, and its pissing people off that critical comments are hitting the mark....

I think you are getting a bit precious in the context of the thread you yourself have created.

How can anybody "defend" the new recruits when they haven't even pulled on the jumper? Maybe most want to give them a go before bagging the absolute s.hit out of them.

Big big difference.

BigMart wrote:Best I go and change my name, before I get more embarrassed...even though I am not identified by it anyway...FFS

Why do that?

BigMart wrote:Good luck to young Cripps, Crocker, Ledger.....and Siposs....hope they do well....I really don't know a great deal about them (arryn aside), just what Ive read and heard....so about as much as Emma.

We all do, even if they didn't have their photo on AFL tracker. Emma Quayle went better than most other judges with her phantom draft and does so constantly evey year.

BigMart wrote:But the fact is, everyones opinion is just conjecture atm....Kosi, Ball, X, Ferguson, Raph, Mini, Armo, Lynch.....all very highly touted.....did not live up to hype.

Kosi still in the top 22, Raph injured, still to show his best, Armo dissappointing, Lynch needs to be given a chance.

Thought you believed the sun shined out of Balls arse?

BigMart wrote:Sam F, Gwilt, Montagna, Gilbert not so much...and have exceeded.

All low picks, all have done well.

BigMart wrote:Still do not know why they had NO picture....and every other just about did....simple question.

I don't know, because nobody elses recruiters rated them and they are crap because the Saints are always failures and can never select the "correct" recruits?

Is that the answer youa re looking for?

But why ask the question when you dont give a F### about anybody elses opinion?

St Ick · Post: # 1025083Post **St Ick** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 5:06pm

chook23 wrote:
barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

Go for it Marto, enjoy your posts!

Fact is most supporters are lemmings and sheep, follow blindly and just accept what's dished up like servile underlings and anyone who dares criticize or QUESTION any decision made by those in positions of power is some blasphemous heretic who should be nailed up on a cross!

After all this is a FORUM for opinions isn't it, not communist China!
Agree with most

but re Ball/X/Maguire they wanted out

X and Maguire have done nothing to date to make it an ill call to help move on....

Ball ......could he ever be convinced to stay after the Pie offer??
if the club had of accepted (trade wise)what Pies offered would have been bagged by sections......anyway

Cousins fair enough judgement call....

Far out, hiprocrisy to the max! Lets firstly speak re the photos, maybe they are dentists?!

Anyway, Howard aside, I'll go through what you've said;

Lovett: we needed a goalkicking mid with speed and sublime skills, AL was one of the best on the field, off field, he has issues - but the club was critisized to no end for not taking Cousins, so they took a risk and it backfired bigtime, which leads me to Cousins,

Cousins: the bloke was a Brownlow medallist, but fact was he had dodgy hammies, was 30+, shaved himself down to avoid a drug test, in his comeback with the Weagles he did a hammy, then first game for Tiges did his hammy, enough -ves there to say no thanks despite his past - you can't have it both ways. Take high road with Lovett but critisize us for Cousins.

Sweeney: I watched JS almost every week with Tyabb and to this day, I have never seen a player do what he did on the footy field, goals over his shoulder, 50 out on the boundary, hangers that had to be seen to be believed. To give him a spot on our list, with a pick at the drafts end - was well worth the risk. We plucked Gwilt from a local league also, some work, some don't but JS had so much upside its not funny.

Pattison: just think, King, Gardi go down for the season. Good luck Rhys who's never played a game, you can shoulder the ruck load with Mac who is still young. Pattison was just security, didn't love this pick but understood the reasons.

Ball: the bloke left us in the lurch, enough has been said already but we did everything we could to keep him bar promising him a game and 100% game time week in week out, i wouldn't even promise Roo that!

X/Goose - in X's comeback match, he played for how many minutes before breaking down? Goose was good at times, but body broke down a couple of times this year, decisions justified as much as like the two blokes.

Anyone can give an opinion, even a misguided one, but expect someone to comment on it, its called a conversation, you say something, someone says something. Not everyone will always agree, and expect people to question it when they don't. Surely you haven't gone through life with everyone kissing you as$ so much that they are afraid to go against what you think?

gringo · Post: # 1025087Post **gringo** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 5:11pm

The percentages say if you bag every player that goes through the AFL system you will have a higher chance of getting it right than wrong. (More players fail than make it to 100 games.)

You can have all the evidence in the world that a player is going to be something out of the ordinary, but a whole lot of luck has to happen for a player to get through to be a consistent player.

Take Patterson for instance, if his three or four shots on goal had made it in the H&A he may have cemented his spot from Kosi and become a regular. He lumbers to the ball in GF one tipping it over the line in the last minute and is a member of the footy folk law club. He is talked about as a recruiting master stroke.

His higher self confidence from the dominant performance spurs him on to get the most out of himself.

For what ever reason some players are given more time and development.

Some very good judges misread the signs of talent after studying a player for a long time,but at the end of the day you can't tell how a player will stand up to the pressure, the expectation and the set backs.

That's part of the fun -we could have found the next Ablett or the next Fiora time will tell but for now just hope that these guys are going to get every opportunity to put together a good career.

barks4eva · Post: # 1025091Post **barks4eva** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 5:13pm

stinger wrote:
barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

Go for it Marto, enjoy your posts!

Fact is most supporters are lemmings and sheep, follow blindly and just accept what's dished up like servile underlings and anyone who dares criticize or QUESTION any decision made by those in positions of power is some blasphemous heretic who should be nailed up on a cross!

After all this is a FORUM for opinions isn't it, not communist China!

is that really you b4e.and..not some stranger who somehow got hold of your password??

Why would you not think that consistent of me?

When 90% of the site was blowing smoke up Thomas's arse I was one of the first on here in 2005, being critical and questioning many, many things about his coaching, decision making, recruiting, tactical ability or lack thereof, player mismanagement, rookie list ignorance, his non relationship with the VFL aligned club, fitness and conditioning appointments and the general shambolic football department mess that he insisted on having sole control of and FAIR DINKUM did I cop it from all the sheep and lemmings, the drinkers of the poisoned cordial who thought he was the second coming, the saviour of mankind, when in truth he was just a megalomaniacal snakeoil salesman, a conman feeding his overblown ego, while pocketing $500,000 a year, pissing our chances up against a wall, taking a list from heaven half way to hell in an amateur hour that lasted over five years and managing to turn a belief cloud into something more resembling a mushroom!

How much shyte did I cop for trying to give all you sheep a ******* clue?

stinger · Post: # 1025094Post **stinger** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 5:21pm

gringo wrote:The percentages say if you bag every player that goes through the AFL system you will have a higher chance of getting it right than wrong. (More players fail than make it to 100 games.)

You can have all the evidence in the world that a player is going to be something out of the ordinary, but a whole lot of luck has to happen for a player to get through to be a consistent player.

Take Patterson for instance, if his three or four shots on goal had made it in the H&A he may have cemented his spot from Kosi and become a regular. He lumbers to the ball in GF one tipping it over the line in the last minute and is a member of the footy folk law club. He is talked about as a recruiting master stroke.

His higher self confidence from the dominant performance spurs him on to get the most out of himself.

For what ever reason some players are given more time and development.

Some very good judges misread the signs of talent after studying a player for a long time,but at the end of the day you can't tell how a player will stand up to the pressure, the expectation and the set backs.

That's part of the fun -we could have found the next Ablett or the next Fiora time will tell but for now just hope that these guys are going to get every opportunity to put together a good career.

good sensible post mate....

St Ick · Post: # 1025097Post **St Ick** » Mon 22 Nov 2010 5:23pm

barks4eva wrote:
stinger wrote:
barks4eva wrote:
BigMart wrote:also people have to get over the fact that I

Slammed the recruiting of Brad Howard, Andrew Lovett, Justin Sweeney, Adam Pattison straight after their recruiting....

To stick ones neck out and give an opinion is probably wrong....I should have at least waited until they did FAIL...and then bag them with Hindsight....which a lot of softc*cks on here do....

Cousins, Ball, X, Maguire....my other gripes....well in hindsight, I think I had some justification....

But again, no more opinions from me, unless they are 100% behind our great club.....it what all great .... loyal supporters SHOULD be.

Go for it Marto, enjoy your posts!

Fact is most supporters are lemmings and sheep, follow blindly and just accept what's dished up like servile underlings and anyone who dares criticize or QUESTION any decision made by those in positions of power is some blasphemous heretic who should be nailed up on a cross!

After all this is a FORUM for opinions isn't it, not communist China!

is that really you b4e.and..not some stranger who somehow got hold of your password??
Why would you not think that consistent of me?

When 90% of the site was blowing smoke up Thomas's arse I was one of the first on here in 2005, being critical and questioning many, many things about his coaching, decision making, recruiting, tactical ability or lack thereof, player mismanagement, rookie list ignorance, his non relationship with the VFL aligned club, fitness and conditioning appointments and the general shambolic football department mess that he insisted on having sole control of and FAIR DINKUM did I cop it from all the sheep and lemmings, the drinkers of the poisoned cordial who thought he was the second coming, the saviour of mankind, when in truth he was just a megalomaniacal snakeoil salesman, a conman feeding his overblown ego, while pocketing $500,000 a year, pissing our chances up against a wall, taking a list from heaven half way to hell in an amateur hour that lasted over five years and managing to turn a belief cloud into something more resembling a mushroom!

How much shyte did I cop for trying to give all you sheep a ******* clue?

If only I'd discovered the world of Saintsational before last year - you would have at least had one fan re Thomas!!