stinger wrote:Mr Magic wrote:barks4eva wrote:Mr Magic wrote:
I'm getting realy tired of reading these 'cheap pot shots' at our staff by posaters who have littel or no real knowledge but feel experienced enough to pass judgment on people whose liveliehood depends on them making correct decisions.
I have no objection to posters having a different view of things, but to make categorical staements that we did/didn't do this/that is just ridiculous.
And as for the 'harry hindsights' that seem to have prospered on here (and I don't include B4e in this category - he's been banging on about that selection almost since it was made).
Just for once I'd like thses internet heroes to post:-
who they'd pick before the draft,
what knowledge they have as to the type of players we're looking for,
their experience/knowledge in the field of recruiting AFL players.
Most of the critical posts they produce do very little to stimulate productive reasonable debate adn seem designed to do nothing more than promote their own egos adn opinions.
And before anybody jumps up and down, I'm speaking in general terms rather than pointing at specific posters.
I generally agree with you on most things and your posts always are rational, measured and for the most part IMHO right on the money, but to categorically just follow whoever is in charge regardless is a recipe for disaster!
See the point I made in my previous post relating to the 2008 AGM and the clash jumper scenario!
On recruiting matters, while I have my opinions from time to time on certain players, I'd be the first to admit they are uninformed and I'm not privy to the important information that those who are employed to make such decisions have at their disposal!
I still shake my head in disbelief that we didn't take Jack Riewoldt and yes my opinion was based on nothing more than intuitive feel, that he's Nick's cousin and was rated as a first round draft pick!
Anyway this is a forum for people's opinion's and as we know opinion's are like arseholes and there's a lot of opinions out there!
And generally I agree with what you've written here.
I just long for discussion that is base on informed opinion rather than, in some cases, opinion based on nothing more than an over-inflated opinion of one's importance.
To get teh real answer as to why we took Armo we'd need to know what the directions given to Bevo were at the time?
'Take the best Mid'
'Take the best avaialable'
might well explain one's choice over another.
And I always laugh about the Tambling/Franklin fiasco.
Everybody conveniently forgets/neglects that Hawthorn chose Roughead over Franklin. How many Clubs passed on Franklin before Hawthorn eventually took him?
Every Club's supporters can, in hindsight, pick out mistaken picks.
to me it was simple....we were all wishing we could clone roo.....we got the opportunity but blew it....jack's dad was a saint's listed player.....all the family are good at most sports.......but then i know a guy who grew up with them in tassie..so i had inside info.......you reckon that the saints didn't???....if we get the opportunity to draft jack's younger brother and pass again...i will really be pissed off......
oh...p.s. mm......we told young swallow we would draft him the year before the roos got him...then reneged on the deal....same with barlow.....in that case we redrafted fraser.......those guys are hard to defend actually.....roo and bj fell into their laps....just dumb luck...imho......
What you say may well be accurate stinger - I'm not objecting to those calls that are made up front.
It's the uninformed hindsight ones, years down the track that I object to.
And the seemingly almost universal acceptance around here that the good ones we get are just pure luck because everyone involved at the Club is incompetent.
I'm happy to criticize when i feel it's warranted.
What I'm not prepared to accept is criticism from people with no knowledge /experience based on their over-inflated opinion of themselves.
As for teh examples you quoted - i'm certain every CLub could bring p similar examples. It's the nature of the industry.
Re Swallow, I'll bet that when they made the offer to Swallow they didn't know that Fraser was going to come back from retirement.
As for Barlow, there were 15 other CLubs who had ample opportunity to draft him before this year - same with Silvagni.
Not excusing any decisions, just pointing out that we don't operate in a vaccuum.