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We had the wood on the Pies.
The pies went away saw their holes and got Ball & Jolly. Went on a high altitude camp and created a new game plan.
Clearly they were well behind us in 2009. Now well in front.
What did they tweak? How did their plodders become good players?
Ball & Jolly were good, but I think the real improvement came from their young players.
We really need to look at what they did at the end of 2009. We need to come back with new energy and give younger players a go.
What do we need to do to bridge the gap?
The pies went away saw their holes and got Ball & Jolly. Went on a high altitude camp and created a new game plan.
Clearly they were well behind us in 2009. Now well in front.
What did they tweak? How did their plodders become good players?
Ball & Jolly were good, but I think the real improvement came from their young players.
We really need to look at what they did at the end of 2009. We need to come back with new energy and give younger players a go.
What do we need to do to bridge the gap?
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5 prelims in 7 years. 40 wins from 49 games.
2009 and 2010 were 2 of the 5 best years ever by the St.Kilda FC.
Thanks for all your efforts Saints.
2009 and 2010 were 2 of the 5 best years ever by the St.Kilda FC.
Thanks for all your efforts Saints.
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Why? Lets look at all 4 games. Behind in all of them at half time. 2 probably out of reach at that stage another where they kicked poorly in the first half and one we played a great second half to come back and draw.degruch wrote:I think you're wrong.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
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Poor kicking is poor football...like 1.9 20 seconds into 3/4 time. No more Pies excuses, had there been time on, we'd have won GF1 easily.plugger66 wrote:Why? Lets look at all 4 games. Behind in all of them at half time. 2 probably out of reach at that stage another where they kicked poorly in the first half and one we played a great second half to come back and draw.degruch wrote:I think you're wrong.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
Yep and if my auntie had balls she would be a sherrin. Lets look at facts and they were the better side this year.degruch wrote:Poor kicking is poor football...like 1.9 20 seconds into 3/4 time. No more Pies excuses, had there been time on, we'd have won GF1 easily.plugger66 wrote:Why? Lets look at all 4 games. Behind in all of them at half time. 2 probably out of reach at that stage another where they kicked poorly in the first half and one we played a great second half to come back and draw.degruch wrote:I think you're wrong.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
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Well If they weren't they definitley are now and that gap will only widen. RL is no fool, he knows it. Unfortunatley, we may not be able to do anything about it in the short term. I hope I'm wrong.plugger66 wrote:Why? Lets look at all 4 games. Behind in all of them at half time. 2 probably out of reach at that stage another where they kicked poorly in the first half and one we played a great second half to come back and draw.degruch wrote:I think you're wrong.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
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Agree. They were clearly the better team.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
Had we won last week we would have pinched it and it would have been a sweet victory...stealing a flag from the pies. But it would have been exactly that. We had our best chance and we blew it. It appears after Saturday's performance that the boys put everything they had into last week and by this week were running on empty and too many injuries.
"At the end of the day, a coach and a fitness adviser doesn't make a good football team, they're not the only ones who got us to two Grand Finals." Lenny Hayes. 27/9/2011.
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Improvement from wellingham beams sidebottom obrien Reid Dawes and Thomas.
All took a step up in output between 09 and 10.
We had one. Gwilt. Who Really only stepped up during the finals series and 1 game during the year.
09 we had montagna Goddard jones gilbert and a few others.
Granted jolley had a massive difference.. But one player doesn't change a team.
All took a step up in output between 09 and 10.
We had one. Gwilt. Who Really only stepped up during the finals series and 1 game during the year.
09 we had montagna Goddard jones gilbert and a few others.
Granted jolley had a massive difference.. But one player doesn't change a team.
Its simple. Look who improved from 08 to 09 for Saints. The Pies did that this year in similar numbers, whilst only Gwilt improved for us this year.
What I think happened with us is that our intensity and therefore system was down 5% and that is reflected in the Points for and against.
Have a look at footage from 09 v 10. Players would charge to the mark when opposition had in in d50, wave their arms about, jump, create much more pressure. Where was that this year?, they allowed many more easy kicks for the opposition.
Saints 09 would whip Saints 10.
Time to inject some youth and replace the plodders.
Also a little tweaking of the team with Gilbert and Roo up forward causing havoc and maybe even say a Dal Santo as a permanent classy forward, where 10 quality touches would be gold.
Other possibilities, Gram back into defense where he can create run and not win as tough a pill, Simpkin to have a crack in Blakes position for at least 5 rounds (similar size and athleticism but Simpkin has 10 years)
Bring on 2011.
What I think happened with us is that our intensity and therefore system was down 5% and that is reflected in the Points for and against.
Have a look at footage from 09 v 10. Players would charge to the mark when opposition had in in d50, wave their arms about, jump, create much more pressure. Where was that this year?, they allowed many more easy kicks for the opposition.
Saints 09 would whip Saints 10.
Time to inject some youth and replace the plodders.
Also a little tweaking of the team with Gilbert and Roo up forward causing havoc and maybe even say a Dal Santo as a permanent classy forward, where 10 quality touches would be gold.
Other possibilities, Gram back into defense where he can create run and not win as tough a pill, Simpkin to have a crack in Blakes position for at least 5 rounds (similar size and athleticism but Simpkin has 10 years)
Bring on 2011.
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Oh no, we just didn't kick straight...blub, blub, blub. Saints supporters seem to be honest enough to admit that on 2 occasions this year, the Pies beat us fair and square, but Pies supporters just can't admit that we did the same to them. Amazing.plugger66 wrote:Yep and if my auntie had balls she would be a sherrin. Lets look at facts and they were the better side this year.degruch wrote:Poor kicking is poor football...like 1.9 20 seconds into 3/4 time. No more Pies excuses, had there been time on, we'd have won GF1 easily.plugger66 wrote:Why? Lets look at all 4 games. Behind in all of them at half time. 2 probably out of reach at that stage another where they kicked poorly in the first half and one we played a great second half to come back and draw.degruch wrote:I think you're wrong.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
Honestly, we quite easily saw them off GF1, GF2 was a bad game, for which we have no-one else but ourselves to blame, we made life very easy for the opposition and they were good enough to capitalise. Maybe the Pies easy run in the last 3 months finally paid off? Who knows, but to announce they are a better team at the end of the year, after they took 2 games to finally beat us, is no wiser than announcing the Hawks were better than Geelong at the start of 2009.
If you cant see they were better over the whole year and when they played us well I just give up. It is ok to say a side was better. Were Geelong better than us last year. Probably not but the pies were this year.degruch wrote:Oh no, we just didn't kick straight...blub, blub, blub. Saints supporters seem to be honest enough to admit that on 2 occasions this year, the Pies beat us fair and square, but Pies supporters just can't admit that we did the same to them. Amazing.plugger66 wrote:Yep and if my auntie had balls she would be a sherrin. Lets look at facts and they were the better side this year.degruch wrote:Poor kicking is poor football...like 1.9 20 seconds into 3/4 time. No more Pies excuses, had there been time on, we'd have won GF1 easily.plugger66 wrote:Why? Lets look at all 4 games. Behind in all of them at half time. 2 probably out of reach at that stage another where they kicked poorly in the first half and one we played a great second half to come back and draw.degruch wrote:I think you're wrong.plugger66 wrote:2 big victories would suggest you are wrong.aussierules0k wrote:We had 1 off day. It happens.
A slightly more favourable bounce to 44 and...
The filth are not better than us.
Honestly, we quite easily saw them off GF1, GF2 was a bad game, for which we have no-one else but ourselves to blame, we made life very easy for the opposition and they were good enough to capitalise. Maybe the Pies easy run in the last 3 months finally paid off? Who knows, but to announce they are a better team at the end of the year, after they took 2 games to finally beat us, is no wiser than announcing the Hawks were better than Geelong at the start of 2009.